Insurance oddness

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by SIRPip, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. SIRPip

    SIRPip Guest

    Now then. I'm a firm fan of Carole Nash, I've never been insured with
    anyone else as other companies' quotes have always either been more
    expensive or didn't offer the same benefits. Not only that, having
    experienced their claims service, it is very good: very slick,
    efficient and not tight on the payout offer.

    However - today I rang up to insure the Ural. I had hoped to just add
    it to the Bandit policy (nothing else is currently insured/roadworthy)
    but of course as Elly has to be insured to pilot the Ural they wouldn't
    do it. That's fine and I can see their point about multi-riders on
    multi-bike policies. I did try to twist a bit however, as Elly is
    currently insured to ride the Bandit anyway, as I am to ride her 9R,
    which is also insured through CN.

    It wasn't to be however, so I agreed to be quoted for a new policy and
    as I couldn't remember when the last Ural policy (aso with CN) ran out
    to look at it on the basis of zero NCD. We went through the procedure
    and came up with a figure of ~£150 with Aviva (as was Norwich Union)
    with which, TBH, I wasn't too unhappy as it isn't a lot of money for a
    fully comp policy with the vital breakdown cover rolled in.

    There was a break in proceedings at this point as my contact went off
    to look up the last Ural policy to see if there was NCD accrued and
    still viable. A couple of minutes of hold music and the good news was
    that I qualify for a 30% discount on the premium as I'd let the
    insurance run its course after the beastly Ural died on me.

    The discount was plugged into the system and we waited to see what the
    punched tape technology would spit out. Of course, I'm expecting a
    figure of ~£105, having worked it out on fingers, toes and fagends by
    then. But no - the cheapest, with a year's NCD included, was ~£180!
    Also with Aviva, but using a different scheme.

    This is where the controversy started and there was a bit more hold
    music while investigations took place with the underwriters. It turns
    out that Aviva run a scheme whereby applicants for insurance who have
    zero NCD for whatever reason can obtain cover for a reasonable sum - an
    introductory discount, if you will, which substantially reduces the
    gross premium. Bully for them, I thought, and girded my mental loins
    for a fight to get the first figure offered.

    They were ahead of me on that one, and stuck by their first offer of
    ~£150. But only for this year - on renewal, this scheme will no longer
    be available to me (and it really shouldn't be in any case) so I'll
    have to go for the normal policy with two years NCD which will cost
    (all things remaining equal) about £160.

    Fair enough, I thought, and signed up there and then, making the single
    payment for immediate cover.

    I went through all this with Elly (who used to work in motor insurance)
    and her eyebrows went up and down a bit, I can tell you. So I sat down
    and did the screenscraper thing, plugging all our details in (including
    the one year's NCD) and waiting for quotes.

    Then it got really weird.

    Not only can I get insurance cheaper elsewhere, on exactly
    like-for-like details, such as zero voluntary excess and with breakdown
    cover thrown in (OK, it's UK breakdown, not European) but the
    compulsory excess would be £150 instead of £250 ... and it's with
    Aviva. Through Motorcycle Direct, with whom Elly was covered for some
    years and we've experienced their claims side too and they aren't
    shifty.

    I'm going to have a tough phone call with Carole Nash in the morning, I
    can see.

    Not only that, but looking alsewhere in the page of quotes (ignoring
    the offer of TPO cover for £50) there are three identical quotes form
    Express Insurance, Kwik Fit Insurance and the green insurance company
    who all offer cover with Aviva for £89.25 with a compulsory excess of
    £150 - and who all have almost identical broker references in that
    their 11-digit alphanumeric refs only differ in the final two digits:
    AW, BW and CW respectively - are they all owned by the same firm, or
    something?

    Anyway, I'm going to pursue the Motorcycle Direct quote and see where
    it gets me - then I might have to see how much it will cost to cancel
    within the oft-quoted 14-day 'cooling-off' period. What miffs me about
    this whole thing is the dicking about with the 'special Aviva scheme'
    which I shouldn't really be eligible for anyway, the more expensive
    renewal and the higher excess with CN. Either Aviva are quoting CN
    higher, or they are looking to make considerably more profit out of me
    than other companies.

    What do you think about all this, you Font?
     
    SIRPip, Jul 22, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    @news.eternal-september.org:

    whilst you are at it, check the bribes available from Quidco.
     
    wessie, Jul 23, 2010
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  3. SIRPip

    SIRPip Guest

    Thanks for the reminder - you're a gem, you know.

    I'm just about to return the favour - see below, thread titled
    "Insurance quote freebie".
     
    SIRPip, Jul 23, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    You're right. I should not be surprised at that.
     
    SIRPip, Jul 23, 2010
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    SIRPip Guest

    Benefits of age, innit. They should be paying you.
     
    SIRPip, Jul 23, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    <checks>

    already got it :p

    not used it mind
     
    wessie, Jul 23, 2010
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  7. I think any insurer offering breakdown insurance on a Ural has never
    actually seen one....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 23, 2010
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  8. SIRPip

    SIRPip Guest

    The young lady with whom I negotiated certainly hadn't: however she did
    get a colleague to do a swift google, whilst quoting me ... she thought
    it looked rather cute. Hmph.
     
    SIRPip, Jul 23, 2010
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    ginge Guest

    Comic Sans MS.

    That's what I think of it.
     
    ginge, Jul 23, 2010
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    wessie Guest

    It is not complex and perfectly reasonable. You are offered a service at a
    price. You don't have to accept. If you can't be bothered to shop around
    for alternatives then you have to accept that you may not be receiving best
    value.

    I don't like the auto-renew practice as it requires me to actively tell my
    current insurer to **** off rather than just letting a policy lapse.
    However, as with other financial services, customers have a great deal of
    inertia and millions of people would very likely be driving around
    uninsured without the auto-renew facility. As someone who shops around for
    insurance prices I benefit from the inertia as insurers can offer me big
    discounts to get my business subsidised by the inert.
     
    wessie, Jul 23, 2010
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