Ineteresting article on science reporting

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  1. Verdigris

    Verdigris Guest

    Some of you may have come across this already: it's from the Columbia
    Journalism Review, and was on Slashdot today.

    It's an article about journalists' treatment of science, which I found
    quite interesting. Given the amount of time we (or some of us, anyway)
    spend discussing science and pseudo-science maybe some of you will also
    appreciate it.

    http://www.cjr.org/issues/2004/6/mooney-science.asp
     
    Verdigris, Nov 11, 2004
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    Malcolm Guest

    The journalists, or at least the reviewers, seem to be doing quite
    well with Simon Singh's Big Bang - Simon explains things so lucidly
    even journalists would find it difficult to get things wrong. Many
    reviews of Simon Singh's Big Bang are linked to from here (bottom
    left):

    http://www.321books.co.uk/reviews/big-bang-simon-singh.htm
     
    Malcolm, Nov 13, 2004
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    AndrewR Guest

    I've just finished "Big Bang" and, to be fair, it's very, very simplistic.

    I'm not sure if it's because I'm more familiar with the subject matter than
    I was with "Fermat's last theorem" or "The Code Book", but I found it a lot
    less enjoyable than either of those.

    I was disappointed that the book pretty much stops at the point where the BB
    theory replaced the Steady State and left everything since then for the
    short epilogue.

    IMO it take too long to cover ground that "A Brief History" of time explains
    better in less space.


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    Lady Nina Guest

    Thanks for that, finally made time to read it. Picking up on a couple
    of the issues..

    Religious involvement in scientific issues - abortion and evolution
    being the main issues. The church (American fundamentalist flavour)
    has a captive and in my mind non critical thinking captive audience
    every Sunday. As they are discouraged from accessing any unbiased
    sources how can this lack of knowledge be dealt with? The article
    discusses how journalists can report on scientific issues with greater
    knowledge, but if these people never get to read those reports...

    Corporate involvement - funding tends to follow where the profit is
    likely to be made. Is there any truly altruistic research being
    undertaken? Is there any true objectivity in a scientist who is funded
    by a profit making industry?

    Should all reporters have a duty to reference the religious and
    monetary links of the scientists they quote?
     
    Lady Nina, Nov 13, 2004
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  5. Verdigris

    muddycat Guest

    So are you saying it's shite now?
     
    muddycat, Nov 13, 2004
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  6. Verdigris

    AndrewR Guest

    I'm saying it's not up to the standard I expected from Singh.


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    muddycat Guest

    Right. John's ordered it for me so I guess I read it anyway.
     
    muddycat, Nov 13, 2004
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  8. Didn't quite hit the note?
     
    Christopher Des Clayes, Nov 13, 2004
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  9. Verdigris

    Verdigris Guest

    On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 18:21:20 +0000, Lady Nina wrote:

    This is very difficult. Not many people will read news about science if
    they're not already interested in science. One needs better teaching of
    science if more people are going to take an interest.

    Teaching people how to assess information would be even better, but I'm
    not sure how one can do this. I guess a bit of statistics, an explanation
    on the scientific method, some media studies, history of ideas.
    There is a difference between a company funding research because they hope
    to make some money our of it, and funding scientists because they'll hold
    - or at least express - views which are convenient.
    I think a good reporter should know of those links; whether they're
    included is then a matter for him/her and not simply a matter of ignorance.
     
    Verdigris, Nov 14, 2004
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    Malcolm Guest

    "A Brief History " is good but Singh covers things that "Brief
    History" missed out. I like the lack of brevity, the hundred pages on
    ancient astronomy at the beginning are fascinating. Measuring the
    circumference of the earth using a well, a weary slave*, the summer
    solstice and a stick! Makes me want to jump on a motorbike* and motor
    for a few thousand miles N->S in a straight line, with a stick, asking
    people "where's the nearest well". (Look officer I'm just trying to
    measure the circumference of the earth....)

    * I don't have a slave...
     
    Malcolm, Nov 16, 2004
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  11. Verdigris

    Malcolm Guest

    I think Singh was quite clever to stop where he did. He has been
    quoted as saying that books on Cosmology are out of date as soon as
    they are printed. This is true if they discuss esoteric things like
    the latest convolutions of string theory or dark matter. By sticking
    to the standard Big Bang model he has made sure the book will,
    probably, not look dated in a few months (or even years). If you are
    just looking for a quick update on Big Bang then you will be
    disappointed, but if you are looking for a "a less than brief" history
    of cosmology then I think it's a good buy - be prepared for a hundred
    pages on early Greek astronomy (which I found fascinating).
     
    Malcolm, Nov 17, 2004
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