In the beginning there was physics ...

everything followed on from that.

Discuss:

with special reference to evolution, creationists and (FFS)
intelligent design.

 

ITYF that the universe worked quite well for a few years before people
had physics.

 

I'm more interested in fizzics.

 

Surely maths underlies everything?

 

Watching that 'Walking with munt// monsters' series, I was impressed by
the graphics, though sometimes the script was drivelish.
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Dave

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I've got a spiffing camping math. Rolls up a treat, it does.

Anyway, maths came along later - the universe just got on with stuff.
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Dave

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In the beginning there was nothing now there more evolved nothings.

 

I've got a torque wrench
And a digital vernier caliper[1]
And an angle grinder
And a lump hammer

I've evovled into a precision engineer, me.

[1] It doubles up as adjustable spanner

Dave

 

I'm lost for words.

 

The thing that really upsets me about these monster / dinosaur natural
history programs is that ALL the bloody things roar.

Anything remotely dinosaurish on these programs is given a rattling
great roar like godzilla and jurassic park biggies, and AFAIK there is
absolutly **** all evidence to suggest reptiles even had larynxes, let
alone could roar.

Or the 'mammal-like reptiles' that were supposedly our ancestors. The
fuckers didn't even evolve ears until later, so what the **** use is a
roar in the first place?

Utter crap.

Really gets my goat.


<trails off into muttering and grumbling silence as realises he's
probably gone a bit far...>

 

Many dinosaurs *did* have a laynyx and *could* roar. See
http://www.bowdoin.edu/~dbensen/Spec/Neohadrosauria.html
for examples.

As a general rule, the BBC will, when making natural history programmes,
allow a certain amount of creative licence, but what is shown has to be
behaviourally correct as far as possible. If they don't do that, then
they have to have a "reconstruction" tag to make it obvious.

That said I've just spent the last two days removing the shadow of a
helicpoter from a shot of a mountain which was a right PITA.

 

Your example is taken from the eocene period - far, far later than
when these particular creatures where running around.

I'm not denying that larynxes evolved. I've got one. The
stellosaurines are a small group of hadrosaurs - a tiny example from a
huuuge number of different animals over an enormously long period of
time.

I'm just pissed off that anything larger than a horse in the ancient
world inevitably had to make more noise than an elephant and roar like
a lion.

Your example page, apart from being far too long, only mentions *roar*
once, and I had to search for that. What about whistles, hisses,
rumbles and cheeps?

Even a komodo dragon only hisses, ffs.

Creative licence: "It's a big lizard. Make it frightening. No, make
it more frightening. I know, make it roar."

You have my sympathy. For what it's worth.

 

So you're with Darwin then are you?

 

Don't you start!

Grrrrrrrr.

See? You've got me doing it now! Does that mean I'm revolving?

And to answer your question, "Yes."

 

He's got his 1000 postings up there^^ with the best bike thread.

Now can we get back to the matter in question while we still have
some Americans listening in!

 

True. And the behaviour of them... htf can anyone tell how they behaved?

What a load of bollocks.

Like I said, the graphics were good though; I'd never paid any real
attention to the pre-dinosaur era, it was all just sand and trees and
rocks and things, but I suppose 3 progs was all they could get out of it
without it getting any more boring than it was.
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Dave

GS850x2 XS650

On UKRM you're just a **** with opinions.

 

Maths is much more important than just a "tool". But I can't be
bothered explaining why I feel that way.

 

It rocks along with anyone that understands it *really* well [1].
It's the only subject other than Technical Design I was really
interested in at work. If I had the time I'd love to do a degree in
it.

[1] Sad, I know.

 

Really? I thought the way the creatures (didn't) interact with the
environment (ie the way their feet didn't quite touch the ground) was
well naff for this day and age.

 

Not quite. I must admit that mathematics is one of the bases
upon which physics is founded. But after that, chemistry is applied physics,
biology is applied chemistry, and philosophy is misapplied biology.

Oh, you wanted the half-hour argument! Room 402, down the corridor.

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