In-car spyware rant

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by The Older Gentleman, Aug 24, 2003.

  1. Last week[1] the Washington Post described Nu Labour as the most
    secretive and controlling political party in the 'Western' world.

    [1] I think it was last week. It was all about Lord Hutton and the way
    he has got around the government restrictions[2] on his inquiry by
    having everything said in the inquiry put on to the Internet before the
    governments mandarins can sort through it.

    [2] It is not as TB said, an open inquiry. That would have needed a
    recall of parliament and be set up under the 1921(?) act. Lord Hutton
    was told what he could and could not investigate by the government and
    that all reports and finding must go to the government first before
    release. This apparently really pissed him off as he felt he was being
    used to impart credibility to a cover up. The web site was his way of
    getting around it. The website having been established, to have it shut
    down would have exposed the hypocrisy of the government.

    Reading your news from abroad puts quite a different 'spin' on things.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Aug 25, 2003
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  2. *glug*
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 25, 2003
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  3. You mean, like the way Trafficmaster poles aren't everywhere? Nor
    Gatsos?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 25, 2003
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  4. Got that ;-)))

    Well, it has an MoT. And insurance. Nowt else, and funnily enough, it
    isn't registered to me either....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 25, 2003
    #24
  5. I was thinking that How would you destroy a passive chip (like the ones
    we have in our cats!) in a plate? X-Ray it? EMP?
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 25, 2003
    #25
  6. Put the plate (not the cat) in the micro wave for 15 seconds.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Aug 25, 2003
    #26
  7. I saw another gatso burnt out up near Sandringham the other day.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Aug 25, 2003
    #27
  8. This may turn out to be a good deterrent. When an Airbus that had just
    been leased by Ethiopian Airways[1] was high-jacked by some Muslim
    fundamentalist. The government army guys stormed the plane and captured
    the high-jackers. The high-jackers were then zip tied into the first
    class seats where towels were put over the upholstery. They then had
    their throats cut one by one on national TV.

    The airline has never been troubled since.

    [1] I'm 99% certain it was EA or from some where near there.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Aug 25, 2003
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  9. The Older Gentleman

    Timo Geusch Guest

    The Older Gentleman was seen penning the following ode to ... whatever:
    If it's an RFID type tag then a sufficiently strong electric discharge
    should do it. Hmm. Put the numberplate under some metal and then use
    an arcwelder on the metal?
     
    Timo Geusch, Aug 25, 2003
    #29
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    Mr Precision Guest

    Microwave. As a bonus you get crispy cat. Tastes like chicken.
     
    Mr Precision, Aug 25, 2003
    #30
  11. Heh. I saw one in Tunbridge Wells that had been similarly barbecued.
    Nice.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Aug 25, 2003
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    Would that be this one?

    1993: Two hijackers and a woman passenger die when security forces
    storm a hijacked Ethiopian Airlines plane in eastern Ethiopia
    Except for:

    November 23, 1996, Fazul masterminded the hijack of Ethiopian Airlines
    flight 961 between the Ethiopian capital and Nairobi. The airliner
    came down with empty fuel tanks 500 yards from Galawa Beach at the
    Indian Ocean Islamic Republic of the Comoros Islands.

    Only 48 of the 127 passengers survived the attack. The victims
    included seven Israelis: Shraga Bar Nissan, Amram Ben David, Gad Levi,
    Eli Levkovitch, Yehuda Soroka – heads of Israel’s Aircraft Industries,
    Yehezkiel Raz, executive of ECI Communications, and Yaacov Bar-On,
    member of an elite anti-terror unit, who was traveling under cover as
    an engineering student.

    CIA officer Leslie-Ann Shedd, head of the US Horn of Africa operation,
    was also murdered in the attack, together with the head of Ukrainian
    intelligence.

    To this day, none of the three governments concerned, American,
    Israeli and Ukrainian, admits the Ethiopian Airways hijack was a well-
    planned al Qaeda attack, that there was a firefight aboard the
    airliner and that the victims were deliberately murdered.
    Algeria?

    24 December 1994; Air France A300; Algiers Airport, Algeria: Hijackers
    killed 3 of the 267 passengers. Later, commandos retook the aircraft
    and killed four hijackers.



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    | ___ Salad Dodger
    |/ \ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C/exTS185C
    _/_____\_ ..57146../..13615.../..3157./.19406/.fecked.
    |_\_____/_| IMC#4 TPPFATUICG#7 YTC#4 DIAABTCOD#9 PM#5
    (>|_|_|<) BOTAFOT #70 two#11 Ignoramus #0001
    |__|_|__| BOTAFOF #09 IbW#0 & KotIbW# OSOS#07
    \ |^| / WG* BotTOS #6 GP#4 ANORAK#17
    \|^|/ 2003 RBR landmarks:81 points:1740 miles:6835
    '^'
     
    Salad Dodger, Aug 25, 2003
    #32
  13. Could be, all I can recall was it was an Airbus and it was tied in with
    the African continent. I read it in Aviation Week or Flight some time
    ago. But who ever it happened to didn't have any trouble after.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Aug 25, 2003
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    http://www.gtc.org.uk/mainsite/zerb-s97/mo-amin.htm

    Aye.
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    | ___ Salad Dodger
    |/ \ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C/exTS185C
    _/_____\_ ..57146../..13615.../..3157./.19406/.fecked.
    |_\_____/_| IMC#4 TPPFATUICG#7 YTC#4 DIAABTCOD#9 PM#5
    (>|_|_|<) BOTAFOT #70 two#11 Ignoramus #0001
    |__|_|__| BOTAFOF #09 IbW#0 & KotIbW# OSOS#07
    \ |^| / WG* BotTOS #6 GP#4 ANORAK#17
    \|^|/ 2003 RBR landmarks:81 points:1740 miles:6835
    '^'
     
    Salad Dodger, Aug 25, 2003
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    pete boyall Guest

    Trafficmaster poles are provided by a commercial organistion - so low
    overheads i.e. cheap to cover the country.

    Gatsos pay for themselves, and whatever we might feel aren't that
    numerous (except in Northamptonshire).

    These things would have to be every couple of 100m for the scheme
    outlined in the Times to work. Given that each one would involve
    about 1000 bureaucrats having committee meetings on precisely what
    type of concrete to use for the base, the cost would be horrendous.

    A watered down version, maybe. But something that can tell where you
    are at all times - no chance. If they base the location sensing on
    GPS, with the poles just being used to download data from your "black
    box" every few miles, it'll be a piece of piss to block the GPS
    receiver.
     
    pete boyall, Aug 25, 2003
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    Salad Dodger Guest

    My round trip to work is 11 miles.

    I go past 14 cameras.

    Not numerous, eh?

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    | ___ Salad Dodger
    |/ \ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C/exTS185C
    _/_____\_ ..57146../..13615.../..3157./.19406/.fecked.
    |_\_____/_| IMC#4 TPPFATUICG#7 YTC#4 DIAABTCOD#9 PM#5
    (>|_|_|<) BOTAFOT #70 two#11 Ignoramus #0001
    |__|_|__| BOTAFOF #09 IbW#0 & KotIbW# OSOS#07
    \ |^| / WG* BotTOS #6 GP#4 ANORAK#17
    \|^|/ 2003 RBR landmarks:81 points:1740 miles:6835
    '^'
     
    Salad Dodger, Aug 25, 2003
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    Simian Guest

    Salad Dodger :
    My trip to work is 11 miles, and I go past 3 in each direction. Tomorrow,
    my trip to work will be 6 miles, and I'll go past 6 in each direction.

    Luckily I'll be cycling to work now, so it's not much bother.
     
    Simian, Aug 25, 2003
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    mb Guest

    Normal X-rays wouldn't do it, otherwise I would have fucked up a few
    digital watches, calculators and various bike electrcal bits by now ;-)
     
    mb, Aug 25, 2003
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    christofire Guest

    <checks other thread I just posted to>

    Phew. Glad I didn't say that.
     
    christofire, Aug 25, 2003
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    christofire Guest

    I've not read the article, but they'd probably just cover the busiest
    roads first, proclaim it was a success and then move it closer to the
    sticks as time passes. You'd only need one or two at each junction on
    motorways, and one near certain intersections.

    In cities it wouldn't be an impossible task[1] to work out which
    junctions to station them at to catch all traffic. Plant one on every
    approach road and certain junctions in town for better definition.

    The further out in the sticks you go the more people will rely on A
    roads to actually get anywhere worthwhile. I don't think it would be
    prohibitively expensive in the govt.s eyes, and if they did think twice
    about it they could play up the "combats crime and therefore terrorism"
    thing.

    [1] Something to ask a university to solve by giving it to a 3rd year
    town planner or comp. sci. undergrad?
     
    christofire, Aug 25, 2003
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