I'm voting for Ahmed

Strictly speaking yes, but in principle I'm with Verdigris.

They're, IMO, political charlatans, simpletons at best.

 

Oh yes, absolutely.

But if they're doing what they're doing within the framework of the
democratic process, legally, it's hardy abusing it.

Taking the piss - maybe.

 

I'm curious about what the UKIP candidates intend to do if they /do/ get
elected to the European Parliament - sulk?

 

What they are doing is permissible in law but an anathema to the
'democratic' process. To distort the principle of executive
politics/rule ultimately undermines the single issue parties. Giving a
stronger hand to the parties.

This in itself I don't, personally, have a problem with.

So, so many people struggle with the, quite simple, principles of
democracy. I also include many political leaders.

Democracy is, quite simply, the subjugation of the individual.

 

sweller wrote

What is his name and when do I get to have my turn? Do we have to fill
in a form first or can we just turn up and give him a damn good
subjugating? Are we allowed to do it weekends or is it one of these 9
to 5 and closed on market day affairs.

It is important I know these things, you never know when I might fancy a
quick subjugate on me way home.

 

platypus wrote

I saw Killjoy Slick on Question Time a week or so back and I got the
impression from him that they intended to call a referendum and only
afterwards apply to be let out early. So they could blame us afterwards
presumably.

 

He is very sexist male showiness. He is a total banker.


U all ride safely, now ;-)

 

I will vote for any political party the put an end to courier firms that
exploit like Connection Delivery Service(Connection Couriers).



U all ride safely, now ;-)

 

Hm. well, I ain't arguing the point any further.

Partly because I'm sure that in a political argument you'd tie me in
knots and then hang me out to dry. You little bolshevik, you ;-)

 

Coward.

 

Absolutely. I know sweller well enough to know that he'd make mincemeat
me in any political argument.

"I know my place."

And what are you doing, trying to stir things up anyway, eh?

 

but for someone who has no fear of insulting everyone and anyone as well
as taking on half of Nigeria I found it odd. I can't imagine sweller is
really that terrifying when it comes to arguing politics with a tory.

I've not met him but I sense he'd be a nightmare to *negotiate* with -
most TU reps worth their salt are.

 

Terrifying, no.

But (and you may blush at this point, sweller) I think he really, really
knows his shit, and in the same way that I wouldn't argue road traffic
law with JP, I wouldn't argue politics with sweller.

 

TBH my theory is a little rusty. The movement seems to not bother with
the thinking about the consequences of its actions. Which is a major
bummer. But it does mean I can cruise along and not have to worry my
pretty little head too much with political theory.

I'd like to think I'm good as a negotiator (I'm not so good when it comes
to vehicles though) and certainly as an advocate.

As I and my two other colleagues tend to get the hopeless cases and the
/really/ fundamental contractual changes we don't do too badly.

If anyone wants advice as how to 'be' a TU representative, its simple:
Preparation, know what you're talking about, believe it and don't speak
unless absolutely necessary. Oh, and don't forget your every action has
an effect. Whether that effect is acceptable is down to you.

 

That reminds me...

Take a theoretical situation where an employee has been working for a
company in a role for just under two years. The employer is sold off
and the employee is given a new contract to sign. Does this reset the
timer in any way where length of service is concerned?
If the employee were to apply for another position internally before
the sale, would that put him back to square one again? Particularly
if the new position was taken up just before the sale? Would a new
contract have to be signed _twice_ ?

If the new contract was a sack of shit, what kind of recourse would
the employee have?

All theoretical, you understand...

 

I see the Beeb have passed over the "shit employee list" to the
prospective new employers, so you'll probably not have to worry about
the contract.

 

Heh. AIUI I'm not in one of the areas marked for immediate canning once
the sale's been completed. Obv. there's a fucking huuuuuuge question
mark over the situation in 6 months time, but it'll depend on which of
the two bidders gets the contract.

 

do you have a preference?

Personally, I think Accenture would look better on a CV.

 

I'd tend to agree, but I also suspect Accenture would mean I'd be
needing my CV that much sooner. Though if Accenture won, I might end
up working inside BT instead, which wouldn't be so bad.

In short, **** knows. The company's being sold, someone's going to buy
it, there's nothing I can do to influence who it is, and I can't be
arsed to start job hunting. So I'm just sitting back and waiting to see
what happens.

 

probably the best attitude.