I'm surprised this hasn't been commented on yet ...

Bloody nora!

"This is just one of 4,300 offences created by the Labour government
since 1997"

and

"By contrast, the Conservative governments between 1988 and 1996
produced 494 offences in total"

 

"Imagine arriving home after a fortnight’s holiday in the sun to find
a deluge of mail and your burglar alarm going off. There is no sign of a
break-in but an offence has been committed — by you."

Well, unless you live out of earshot of any neighbours, it's unlikely
that the alarm would still be going off after a fortnight. More likely
to find a large bill for silencing the alarm and possibly the door locks
changed.

As to the general point regarding the rate of introduction of new
legislation, a cursory glance at the links posted confirms that this has
unsurprisingly escalated over the last hundred years. That a labour
administration should introduce more new laws than a Tory one is also
hardly surprising.

What has been a step change is the introduction of a many new fixed
penalty offences and the fuckwittery that all too often accompanies the
enforcement of them.


--
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Pete Fisher at Home: |
| Voxan Roadster Yamaha WR250Z/Supermoto "Old Gimmer's Hillclimber" |
| Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

The comment was made to me in Kent and it 'seemed' correct.
I think this was based on the premise that locals in Kent bought their
baccy in Belgium. Where the price was lower than France and Drum was the
cheapest by a long way.

Day trippers from further away bought their baccy in the duty free on
the boat or in the terminals in France.


Today in Norfolk, Golden Virginia rules supreme but not often with the
Death Warning in English, if you see what I mean.

 

I read this and it's not that an inspiring read except:

"Plus, the chairman of the whole shebang, Tim Martin, sounded like a bit
of a character, naming the chain after a teacher who said he would
amount to nothing."

He also goes on to make the point:

"Martin thinks that the Government’s draconian policy on 16- and
17-year-olds in pubs is forcing under-age drinkers on to the streets,
and exacerbating the closure of watering holes. “This government is to
common sense what Tiger Woods is to monogamy,†he writes on the
company’s website."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/bryonygordon/7431167/Wether
spoons-pubs-let-you-forget-about-the-world.html

 

Two thought to this:

1/ Two weeks give the police time to turn up.

2/ Every alarm around where I live has the makes the name on the bell
box (and some times phone number) so they can over ride the alarm.

And to get in, they contact a lock smith. Any competent lock smith can
do that without ant damage or changing of locks

Now the charge for all that you still have to pay.

 

No. The point I was trying to make is that if key holders are properly
notified it would be a lot less hassle for all concerned, including the
owner of the property if an intruder alarm malfunctions, even for just a
couple of days. There has been a code of practice for years advising
that this should be done. It seems that Times readers don't see why they
should.

The author of the article also glosses over the fact that this is
enabling legislation. To be an offence the local authority have to have
designated an alarm notification area, with would require public
consultation and a period for notifications to be made.

http://www.asb.homeoffice.gov.uk/members/article.aspx?id=7918


--
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Pete Fisher at Home: |
| Voxan Roadster Yamaha WR250Z/Supermoto "Old Gimmer's Hillclimber" |
| Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

In communiqué <>, Mick

Ha ha. The police don't want to know about misfiring alarms. In fact
they could never be bothered to keep up their side of the recommended
notification system under the existing Code of Practice.

Only if the owner has taken out a maintenance contract. No DIY
installations round you? Problems with alarms tend to be in areas a bit
pikier than yours. The 'maker' is very unlikely to touch it without the
owner's permission or an order from an authority. The installer *might*.

We used to have a couple of locksmiths on our list to call out if we
were forced to gain entry to the property itself. Often the nuisance can
be abated without needing to. Often a locksmith can get you in and out
again leaving the property secure without changing the lock. Not always
*in a hurry* IME without at least requiring the provision of a new key.

Indeed.

--
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Pete Fisher at Home: |
| Voxan Roadster Yamaha WR250Z/Supermoto "Old Gimmer's Hillclimber" |
| Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

I doubt it can be absolute zero? or there wouldn't be many train drivers
left. Or pilots. I assume the testing allows for a few ml variation or
somesuch.

Do they also drug test train drivers and is there any sort of random
testing.

 

You live in Wales not York. What can you expect.

 

This is true.

The local manufacturer / installer will come out if requested by the
police, I would imagine.

I forgot this, you're right.

See above.

Bump keying is the way to go. Only slowed down if you have a mortise
lock with 5 pins in addition to the 'Yale' type lock. That will slow a
good locksmith down for a short while.

Oh Yes.

 

I once bought one of the £10 keyring alcohol breath tester from Maplin
on the run up to Christmas. Did a test with a few friends one evening
with one guy consistently passing even after 6 pints of lager. Suffice
to say I returned it and got a refund.

I got stopped by the Police a while ago returning from the pub. I'd had
three or four pints over the evening but had been chatting away and
eating but mainly spreading it out over quite a few hours. Suffice to
say the rookie cop could smell alcohol and was confident he had me.
First test was a pass. Then decided the unit was faulty and sent for
another. Same result. Decided to try a third time with another unit and
started to threaten me that I wasn't blowing correctly into the unit.
Pass. Big lecture on not drinking and driving to which I politely
replied that I enjoyed drinking alcohol and that I was *not* breaking
the law and would continue to do so until the law changed.

Wonder if there are any properly calibrated units for the man on the
street to check against ?

 

I think, as referenced elsewhere in the thread, medical zero is regarded
as < 29mcg (or mg I mis recall) per 100ml.

--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6
Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see.
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

 

I saw that at the end of the thread, still wondering if the do drug and
random testing. If a profession needs a zero drink limit it would seem a
reasonable argument that it needs both these others.

Heading back to the beginning of the thread, the rationale behing this plan
is the real problem. As we live in an era of incremental policy and law it
is a short journey towards blanket 50mph NSL and 20mph urban limits. With
bans and retesting for almost any infringment.

 

In communiqué <HcrXPHNo$>, Mick

Possibly, but the police really won't get involved unless they consider
there is risk to life or limb and in that case they won't bother with a
locksmith. More likely that the local EHO will try contacting the number
on the bell box, but IME the installer or maintainer is still very loath
to silence an alarm without the owner's specific permission or an
indemnity from the council. We would try to use the original installer
whenever possible, but it is almost a given that a misfiring alarm that
isn't promptly dealt with by the owner or someone they have entrusted a
key to isn't subject to a maintenance contract.

People who have a decent alarm, properly installed and maintained don't
often get serious problems with them. If they do, they have usually
thought ahead and there is a relative or a neighbour who gets to know
about it and sorts things.

As always, it is the irresponsible that have to be legislated for. I
just think the Times could have chosen a better example to lead the
article with.

See above.

TBF it was a very rare occurrence. Perhaps lock picking technology has
improved even more since I last had to execute a warrant.

--
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Pete Fisher at Home: |
| Voxan Roadster Yamaha WR250Z/Supermoto "Old Gimmer's Hillclimber" |
| Gilera GFR * 2 Moto Morini 2C/375 Morini 350 "Forgotten Error" |
+-------------------------------------------------------------------+

 

Well, I sold it in the petrol station I worked in in 1997.

 

ISTR they do, but I'm sure sweller can elucidate.

That is another kettle of fish, IMHO, but you have a valid point.

--
Catman MIB#14 SKoGA#6 TEAR#4 BOTAFOF#38 Apostle#21 COSOC#3
Tyger, Tyger Burning Bright (Remove rust to reply)
116 Giulietta 3.0l Sprint 1.7 GTV TS GT 3.2 V6
Triumph Sprint ST 1050: It's blue, see.
www.cuore-sportivo.co.uk

 

Exactly.
A mate of mine got done for being just over the newly-introduced lower
limit, in a morning-after situation. Fucking thing was, he'd no
intention of going out that day, but was called out for some
favour-related thing.

 

Sanctimonious bullshite.

 

Meanwhile, the grow-yer-own tobacco movement is going from strength to
strength. The fact that it tastes like insecticide-sprayed cabbage is
counterbalanced by the low cost.

 

Fnar
www.freesmoking.co.uk/moreinfoUK.html