I'm surprised this hasn't been commented on yet ...

Limit for the railway is 29mg (the medical "zero")

 

You sound quite stupid with the utterly irrelevant Pastor Niemoller quote
- As an aside the railway has been "zero" since 1992, do you think train
drivers are being persecuted?

 

Did you read the article - particularly in relation to those in the 50 -
79 range?

 

Is it irrelevant, though?

We are seeing one law after another brought in or amended, all of which
seem to be aimed at dividing and grinding down the population.

 

Funnily enough, that's when I was cycling in London.

 

I don't quite see the hoo-ha, that's been the limit in Oz since
the early 80s.

#How will you go when you sit for the test?
#Will you be under oh-five or under arrest?

NSW brought in random stops for breath tests at the same time --
in early December. So they caught lots of young bloods totally pissed on
the way home from Christmas parties -- in the passenger seat with the car
being driven by their sober girlfriends...

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Is that what the smoking "ban" has done?

 

We've moved onto TOG's Zero-based police state.

 

It has largely made smoking socially unacceptable - now they're moving
onto alcohol.

 

Certainly most that I know are. Every time I go abroad I have friends
wanting tobacco brought back, it seems that Poland is currently the
cheapest Eu country. I don't know if it's the majority but a
significant proportion for sure.

 

I'm surprised we didn't bump into each other.

 

Last time I checked, train driving was a voluntary activity.

 

It has largely made pubs and restaurants more pleasant for non-smokers.
I am quite sure it was not aimed at dividing and grinding down the
population.

Unless you're paranoid.

 

I'm obviously only guessing because there won't be government evidence
to support it

Most smokers I know are on duty free tobacco and it's certainly
readily available in a lot of places. Ok, I work on power stations
frequented by dodgy bastards but the average price for 200 cigarettes
on a power station is about £35 compared to over £50 shop price. The
tax on those cigarettes is going to other countries but if the
government dropped prices to the same level I'd be very surprised if
the overall take dropped.

It's fairly common in the grim north for pub landlords to sell duty
free cigarettes to regulars and I've noticed that a fair number have
removed the cigarette machines because nobody was using them.

I've cut my intake to less than 10 per day but if I smoked at work and
in pubs that'd double. I suspect most other people I know have cut
down by a similar amount.

 

I don't think they've made smoking socially unacceptable at all, in
fact it's made people more likely to chat when they're stood outside
smoking.

 

Utter shite.

It has made pubs and restaurants far more pleasent places to be and I
say that as a smoker.

 

I was thinking something similar. And it *has* made pubs and restaurants
more pleasant for (IMHO) everyone. Even the smokers that I know (who are
few and far between now) claim so.

OTOH walking down a busy street (like Oxford street, for example), or
going to a mainline station seems to have become less pleasant as one
navigates the chatting groups.

YMMV of course.

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Besides the fact that people seldom have a zero BAC level. Alcohol is
found in many non-booze foods & medicines. Bread, for example.

 

It has made my local pubs worse - they're now no longer 'boozers',
they're establishments selling crappy re-heated food and fizzy InBev
shite.

They used to be proper pubs with real ales.

 

Shame. I would be genuinely interested if that were the case.

I know so few smokers these days. My father, who gets his own duty free
from France. An ex boss, who smokes whatever. Generally buys in the UK,
and my brother in law who tends to switch between duty paid and duty
free, depending on what he can get. Most of the smokers that I knew when
I was working appeared to be smoking duty paid unless they'd been on
holiday. [1]Given that BIL is somewhat of a low life, if *he's* not on
the duty free all the time, I suspect it's not actually that widespread,
but wibble flip do.

Fair enough.

Well I know none of the people listed above have cut down much, if at
all. Or at least claimed not to have.

[1] I used to spend quite a bit of time in the (outside) smoker's corner
as it was a convenient way to get quite time with my then boss. If I
went down more than about 3 times per day, I used to feel it in my
lungs. Which was something of a shock to an ex cigar smoker.


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