I'll take dust any day...

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by Mark N, Sep 12, 2008.

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    Mark N Guest

    First impressions of Indy. First, it's wet. Not west coast style,
    which would also mean it's cold, since it never rains in California...
    in the summer..

    Kind of surprised by the look of the place at first. when I saw one of
    the grqandstands from the road I thought it was a high school football
    fiwld or something, thenrealized I was looking at the back of the turn
    four stands. after a minor fiasco getting my ticket (the worst will
    call experience since Miller '06) my first look inside was from the
    turn one stqands down the front straight. What it felt like was
    walking into Fenway Park for the first time, almost a relic of another
    age, when Detroit muscle was king, and not the monstrosity I expected
    - Fontana is much more impressive in terms of sheer size, at least
    from the outside, and of course much more contemporary.The whole thing
    feels like a midwestwrn statw fair, right down to the corndog stands
    on the street and the folks selling parking spots in their front yards.

    Which makes MotoGP feel quote ot of place here, in this most European
    of US rounds that includes the ring-dings (also kind of relics of
    another age, I have to say).

    Anyway, the front straight is long but not Miller long, and turn 1
    seems a bit scary, fast and not that much runoff, it seems. But that's
    kind of hard to tell at the reduced wet speeds this morning. The
    nagery after that is pretty rinky-dink, and I haven't yet seen enough
    of the infield to tell. But they were tip-toeing around this AM. Good
    to see Spies up at the sharp end much of the session, that Donny wet
    time must be coming in handy. Also enjoyed Nick in the press
    conference yesterday, nice to see him out from under.

    This afternoon will be infield exploration, first brat now in my belly
    and 125s headed out. More later...
     
    Mark N, Sep 12, 2008
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    Beautiful weather has erupted at Indy, and an excellent Q session just
    completed. This morning it was damp and most of the guys went out on
    intermediates only to pop right back in for slicks. Hayden went out on
    slicks and was fast right off, really smokin' the rear on the run
    through the fast lefthander right before the final chicane. At first
    it seemed like Michelins were the ticket, then Bridgestones, then it
    looked pretty even the rest of the way.

    This afternoon it continued to be very unpredictable, surprising
    groups of guys at the front much of the time. And we have't seen
    anything close to dominqnce by anyone, even though it was the usual
    Rossi-Stoner bit at the front in the end. Hayden missed a home front
    row because of a big slide on his last try and/or being balked at the
    end of the lap. Spies sits next to him in fifth spot, continuing to
    embarrass the Rizla regulars plus Euro-centric Denning, and/or the
    suits in Japan (whoever decided to let the best young talent outside
    of GP walk).

    Will be looking at the details later - 250s are out...
     
    Mark N, Sep 13, 2008
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    Okay, so let's assume it's dry. The pace this afternoon, when it was
    pretty warm, was high 42s or very low 43s. The guys who did them were
    Rossi (42.95), Stoner (42.66), Hayden (43.03), Elias (42.74), de
    Angelis (42.98), Vermeulen (43.02). Lorenzo only did a 43.50 and that
    was early, Spies got down to a 43.41 before going to the Qs, de Puniet
    43.45, Dovizioso 43.86, Toseland 43.79 and Pedrosa never broke 44. The
    general impression I had at the track was that Elias was generally
    faster than Stoner today, but got screwed by his crash when it
    mattered.

    Rain is hard to say, because how hard it will be is impossible to say.
    West was the fast guy yesterday, but he's last on the grid. The
    morning was the drier of the two sessions, but guys were still
    figuring out the circuit. In general the guys who were fastest in the
    wet didn't qualify all that well.

    I guess Rossi is the best pick, not knowing the weather. Hard to take
    Stoner after the last couple rounds and his non-intimidating weekend
    so far, and Elias seems like a good wildcard in the dry. Hayden looks
    like a podium shot in the dry as well, but not so certain if it rains.
    Hard to rule out Vermeulen if it rains. Spies seems like a good podium
    longshot overall, andf maybe particularly if it rains; his biggest
    problem in his previous two races seemed to be getting the maximum out
    of the tires in the early laps when they're still good, and he can't
    do that and get on the box.

    However it plays out with the weather, it could be very good and/or
    very surprising. And maybe we'll even get in some bike-swapping in the
    process. 125s and 250s? Don't have a clue - who's on pole?
     
    Mark N, Sep 14, 2008
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    As I said, apparently it's wet at Indy. Huddled under the grandstands
    with 100,000 other people at the moment, wondering if it'll ever
    stop...

    Actually, it seems to be slowing a bit now...
     
    Mark N, Sep 14, 2008
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    just bob, Sep 15, 2008
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    Yup, I had a wtf moment when I peeked into the boxes and saw all those
    chairs, complete with a decent coating of rust.

    Where the place really looks old and small is from that angle, in turn
    one looking back down the straight. And the track really does look
    narrow, you almost can't imagine three cars going in there abreast.
    What's really big is the whole layout, given that it's a 2.5-mile
    oval, which is also why they can put in a pretty decent infield
    course. Completely different than a place like PPIR or Phoenix.

    The one view that really gave you a sense of size was during the race
    looking up the straight from turn four. With the spray and the rain
    mist and the wind, the bikes would eventually just disappear entirely.

    Still, I don't know that the whole layout is actually as large as
    Miller, I kinda doubt it. And I'll take the weather there as well...
     
    Mark N, Sep 16, 2008
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    just bob Guest

    Watched a little of the Grand-Am sportscar race at MMP over the weekend and
    one of the guys mention that MMP is a nice track but it's tragic that at
    over 4 miles it has only one straight.
     
    just bob, Sep 22, 2008
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