If you don't want ID cards to be introduced

Rather than get bogged down on the potential usefulness or not, and rather
than imagine the terrors of a totalitarian state that may come into being
when it's fucking unlikely it could ever happen in a consumer-led society
run by big business who run the governent /anyway/, why don't people get
this excited about the important stuff?

This trivial bullshit is not the thin end of the wedge, the thick end has
been firmly in place for years. It's all so petty it almost vexes me. Entire
wars are waged expressly against the interests and concerns of millions of
people and we simply don't give a shit.

 

That's complete shite. Your money makes this country go round, as long as
you're a happy little bunny paying taxes, buying loads and contributing
that's as far as your part in the play goes. Capitalism is the way it
happens and nothing is going to get in its way: America's - and now our-
foreign policy dictates that. You envision a progression of draconian
restrictions that curtail your liberties when the real crimes are being
perpetuated elsewhere all the time. If you feel better imaging that you
actually have any influence then fight the good fight but the people with
the money make all the decisions whether you like it or not. And what
prevents "us" from having a say is the smokescreens put in front of our
eyes.

I simply think ID cards is a bullshit concern. That's my point and you're,
as ever, welcome to disagree.

 

ROTFL

 

Hehe, ok. Let's talk about speed cameras. Those hideous and cynical devices
purely developed to deprive us of our licenses and cash. I myself have been
on the rough end of this so I'm not chuffed about them. But, hang
on...aren't we also nailing our bikes everywhere as fast as we can? That's
what we're supposed to do right? If we don't we're slow and Ginge-like (no
offence Rob). But at the same time we're meant to keep out eyes open for the
devices that are there to slow us down, but better not place too much
emphasise on that because we'll get left behind and be ridiculed.

And yet, in this newsgroup's population alone, there are numerous binning
accounts all the time. When we hit a pedestrian, it's the idiot pedestrian's
fault. When we lob it on a bend we were giving it too much beans, as if
there's something heroic about it. We slip between cars on motorways at 120
mph and take umbrage at the idiot drivers that don't give us the expected
room to manouvre. All the accidents in the yearly reports don't take into
account that it's the drivers' observation that's at fault, even if there
are no other vehicles on the road. Aah...wait a minute. It's the BABs that
are causing all the accidents! Or that guy that Tog's just stuffed up the
inside on a slip road to the M25. It's the Power Rangers, nothing to do with
us at all.

You would have to be some kind of idiot to draw some correlation between
this newgroup's reticence to accept responsiblity for their own vehicular
actions while deeming traffic-calming measures to be heavy handed and the
public's unrest over home security and the heavy handed response from the
government.

Our idiocy empowers the government to act like it does. Each of us secretly
thinks we're the ideal citizen, treading the fine line between culpability
and insouciance; consideration and savoire faire. But someone adds to the
statistics. Not us though, right?

 

So much so that you forgot to snip, Paddington.

 

So who form the majority of people who have been arrested under recent
terrorist laws even after assurances that they would not be misused ?

Anti arms and peace protesters

 

Source please.

 

Because they've made the enemy even more scary than Blair.

 

Yes Bear. The world really is as black and white as Sun readers and everyone
else.

 

That is probably the one saving grace. No way will the muppets be
able to link anything up this side of Milliways.

 

That would be why the traffic cops are being replaced by revenue cameras
then?

 

This makes no sense! How can you say "interests and concerns of millions"
and then have we don't give a shit. Don't judge other people
by your own morals.

 

gomez scribbled on the back of a napkin:

Heh. But given the stellar record of gubmit IT projects, it's only a
matter of time[1] and money[2].


[1] Twenty years late
[2] Twenty times over budget

 

Indeed. When you get the police trawling through the legislation to find
*ANYTHING* that they can bring before the CPS.

 

Ditto. I was thinking about this last night, and reckon platy's got
the rights of it.

I wonder if anyone who's housebound will be required to have one. Will
the police need reasonable grounds before demanding to see your ID, or
will they be able to stop anyone they fancy. If they suspect a
terrorist or illegal immigrant has caught a particular train, will
there be coppers on the platform examining everyone's ID? I'm starting
to imagine scenes from The Great Escape.

No thanks.

So, as asked elsewhere, can anyone give an actual practical example of
how an ID card might help carch someone.

 

That's prolly the next step.

Then it'll be thought police.

George was right you know, maybe a little late, but definitely right.

 

Fascinating. That is one of the best examples of really sensible
"sideways thinking" that I've ever heard. Well done, BA.

 

I don't think that's striuctly true, although it certainly does have some
weight.
From a personal perspective I was disgusted by the war, and most of the
behaviour since. However, as you've poointed out eloquently above, we don't
really have any say in either issue, so what difference does it make which
one we get uptight about?

Millions of people *did* get uptight about the ware,a dn tried to prevent
it. They failed. Perhaps they might succeed in this, even if it is a
smaller thing.

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Colin Irvine wrote:

If anyone comes up with one, can you let me know? I've asked everyone I
know that's in favour, and still no dice.
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Nevermind that, what would happen if people stated killing each other
using their ID cards as weapons...