If you don't want ID cards to be introduced

I remember when my Mum got a phone - she took it over from my Nan, it was
ex-directory. I tried getting Mum's number from 192 when in a box in Walsall
Town centre. They wouldn't give it to me. I explained that I had a picture
of my Mum with me but they were adamant. Identity cards will be useless if
they don't work over the phone.

John

PS - did lots of motorcycling today.

 

I think it was deviously worded, something like "are you in favour of ID
cards or not"

 

If they ever get to the stage where the technology works at all then
consumer level card/biometric-readers will not be far behind so every
Tom, Dick and Jobs^H^H^H^HWoolworths will have one attached/built-in
to their till/PC/PDA/phone to replace Chip'n'Pin etc.

 

Yes, but was it? Apparenlty 80% of people are in favour of ID cards until
you ask: 'Would you like an ID card that will cost you £80'.......
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Naaah. The gubmint estimates are now on £5.0-5.5bn, having cruised sedately
upwards from the gloriously vague 2002/3 figure of £1.3-3.0bn and past last
year's £3.5bn. Independent folk say that it will be far more. The
precedent set by countless other gubmint IT projects is - shall we say - not
wholly confidence-inspiring. And the fucking things will *not* work.
People talk airily about encrypting the algorithms for absolute personal
security, but you techy guys know far better than me - a simple financial
bod - that data is simply that; data, digital info on plastic. It *will* be
forged. It *will* be deployed by the nasty people. It *will* undermine
security, rather than enhance it, and we will have to pay for it. One of
the furtively concealed gubmint admissions is that for a family to move
house could incur additional ID costs of £1,000 per household to amend the
data. How many families move house every year?

 

They do walk home, but need to be collected and accompanied when
they're 4.

Mark.

 

I doubt Bliar will even be swayed by those statistics. They'll just
fiddle them until they match what they want, just like the "1/3 lie".

Mark.

 

Only double? I would estimate a factor of at least 10.

Mark.

 

There's no such thing as "absolute security". The only thing you can
do is making cracking the something too much effort to do. However,
considering the massive benefit for the criminal to crack the cards,
and that cracking technology improves all the time, then it won't be
long before there's a whole industry providing very good forgeries.

Mark.

 

Mark says...

I collected my kids from school for years, and they aren't my
biological kids nor was I married to their mother. If the school knows
who you are and what relationship you have with them, then they don't
usually have a problem. I dread to think what it will be like if they
bring biometric scanners into play. There'll be playgrounds full of
kids waiting for their real fathers and a few unsuspecting blokes
crying in their cars.

 

When DNA testing first started there was an experiment to see if certain
birthing problems etc., could be genetically linked. After several
thousand were tested the only main concrete conclusion was that 20% of
the babies born were not the offspring of the husband

 

Mick Whittingham wrote

Brighton, 1960's, Blood typing/matching testing.

 

And if we'd had proportional representation, that "say" would be properly
reflected. As a party, they only got 33% of votes cast, but the stupid
system we have, at present, gave them something like 60% of the seats.
Proportional representation would have more accurately reflected the views
of the electorate and he'd be forced into a coalition government.


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Of course. Look at DVD encryption, and games consoles. A lot of pissed
off people with a lot of money, and they still can't protect stuff.

 

Véritable Rosbif scribbled:

They're going to trial it on a voluntary basis at first though, and
issue them with new passports from 2007, and make it law in 2012 that
you have to carry them around.

So plenty of time to discover they don't actually work, and avoid
everyone having to buy the stupid things.

(I hope)

 

Fr Jack wrote

That's bollox that is. Utter fucking bollox.

And before you go on about fairness and having your say and all that old
fucking shit just remember that you have power out of all proportion to
you "equally represented vote" just by getting off your fat fucking arse
and actually doing something instead of fucking whinging about the
unfairness of somebody else not doing it for you.

I watched question time about the constitution thing last night and I
take back every fucking word I said in the past about PR seeming to work
for me in the euros. If that is a reasonable cross section of European
politicians[1] that you get with a PR system them I want fucking none of
it.


[1] How the **** can a Tory be arguing that that decentralisation of the
euro bureaucracy to the home states is a bad fucking thing and that we
should be voting no because of it and the Pinkos arguing that they are
completely fucking wrong and that we should be voting no because the
constitution will strengthen the central bureaucracy and this also is a
bad thing? The pair of them being opposed by a Tory saying we should
vote yes because it will mean a strengthening of the central bureaucracy
and another fucking Lefty agreeing with him about the vote but for the
reason that voting yes will weaken the power of Brussels. And then
there is the Greens who seem to think about children far too much to be
healthy imo who, united in common cause, have left the decision about
their stand on the future of europe to individual national organisations
whilst quite correctly pointing out that of all the factions concerned
they are the ones more likely to have issues which genuinely affect all
of us.

And then there is the scare mongering. Vote yes and you will get hordes
of polish plumbers over here screwing your sons and daughters and if you
vote no we will descend into the dark ages in three weeks.

In a sense I hope the frogs vote no and we brits can be spared any more
of this and get a bit of time to sort out the firing squads.

 

By which time they will doubtless say something along the lines of: "We have
spent £Xgrillion on this, so rather than write that off we will spend
another £2Xgrillion so that we have an effective pilot system for when the
technology catches up with our dreams of total control of the populace."

 

Doing what, exactly?

Power out of all proportion to my vote? Shite - and you know it.
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It was a favourite to be introduced by B'liar's mob - until they won with
a massive majority. Are they perpetual losers?

The percentage I quoted was *of the votes cast*.

IIRC, the figures were:
NuLab 33%
Con(merchants) 32%
LibDem 25%
The rest 10%

I'm with you on the subject of non-voters, BTW

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Andy Bonwick wrote

There seems a certain rightness about the theoretical balance offered by
PR that is difficult to counter but the other day I was trying to
describe an old git's view to a youngster about the effects of different
brands of government have had on me the voter over the years and at the
end of it I was, despite being as neutral as I could manage, arguing
strongly in favour of FPTP on the single basis that over the years not
only had it had actually served us quite well and had kept us fairly
free from knee-jerk politics, vicious dogs excepted of course but led to
a much more stable society than say our euro mates like the wops and the
krauts who have PR with a vengeance.

Which, coupled with what I saw on the telebox last night puts a wavering
me deaf to the sirens call and firmly back in the old tried and trusted
system camp.

PR is the 21st century communism: ok in theory.