If you don't want ID cards to be introduced

You could make a token stand here

http://www.pledgebank.com/no2id

 

You could make a token stand here

Bolox.

If you got nowt to hide, are of decent descent and a law abiding citizen
over the age of 18 why not have them.

Bloody good idea I reckon, should have been done at the end of the last war
when we still had an Empire.


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Bollox

 

Its not that I have stuff to hide so much as I have no fucking trust
whatso-fucking-ever in an army of couldn't-get-a-decent-fucking-job
beaureacrats and a national database run by a government with an appaling IT
record that even makes me look halfway fucking comepetent. Besides, the
criminal sections of society will no doubt find loopholes, workarounds etc
while we the taxpayers have to fork out a bloody fortune to fund this
absolute piece of nonsense

For a more reasoned argument, google for Bruce Schneier or search The
Register for relevant articles.

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, raden amazed us all with this pearl of wisdom:

"I will refuse to register for an ID card but only if 3,000,000 people
will sign up."

WTF does that mean?

 

In that context it is, to view it as a defense against a country you're at
war with is silly. However, there are a plethora of more mundane situations
where it might be useful.

Like what?

 

Greybeard wrote

Indeed and even worse when you consider that the mainlanders thinks of
us Anglo Saxons as the standard bearers of Liberalism. Hardly a good
example to set the inferior races is it,

 

Funny how they never seem to come up owith decent examples. It's
always "Big Brother" this and "I don't trust them not to misuse it"
that. How, and why, people think it will be misused to reduce their
individual personal freedom I've never seen quoted.

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I have a sneaking suspician that Big Issues like the ID card basically
appease the people that think it will actually make a difference to security
and give the people that want to attack the government an easy target that's
utterly trivial to bang on about, forgoing the things that really matter.

It's almost as if it's a calculated ploy...

 

ID cards, tattoos, chipping and fingerprinting at birth, wearing yellow
crosses. It all starts to make sense...

 

Ok, let's make it simpler. I don't fucking want one. Given that the
Government is supposed to work for us and not the other way round, I object
to them pissing away billions of pounds on a pointless project that will
delivery precisely none of the "security" they are using as a tool to
frighten people too thick to question it into accepting.

That better?

 

A little bit like wot Hitler did to the Jews then really ;o)
Have a number tattooed on you arm.
Nowadays a barcode tattooed on your arm at birth sorts it. You could use it
as your passport, driving license, credit card and any other place where a
carried bit of paper would do.
I can see it catching on ;o))
No need for ID cards then really

 

Good point, and very well argued ;o)

 

I don't want one cos they will be run by people using computers and they
will, undoubtly, **** up some of the details somewhere along the line.

I already had my credit rating shot to pieces once because of an admin
error, I would not like to have me shot to pieces because of a similar
error.

 

With a sub-dermal microchip you could stop doors opening for the wrong
person and stuff like that.

Has anybody else noticed how this political correctness thing is slowly
turning into thought crime or is it just me?

 

We did have ID cards at the end of the last war when we still had an
empire.
Of course the only people old enough to remember are too senile to
remember....

 

In uk.rec.motorcycles, Greybeard amazed us all with this pearl of
wisdom:

So what happens when you get old and fat?

 

I had this discussion earlier today with an elderly chap.
Senile he may have been but I don't think so. But he said that we never had
ID cards in the war or after, but it was advisable to carry your ration book
with you.
Did we have ID cards then?? My late Dad always reckoned we didn't.

 

I am old an fat ;o)

I guess the barcode will stretch a bit, as long as the sequence stays the
same, it should be read ok.

Best we put it on the forehead then..

 

Ace wrote:

Well think of it more as a rallying point then.

A lot of civil liberties have been lost in the past few years and a lot more
stand to be lost. What the government is doing is using salami tactics;
moving in very small steps so that no one action is big enough to garner
enough popular opposition to make them stop.

In order to make them stop a stand has to be taken somewhere and this is a
big issue with a lot of public support. It's a clear point where civil
liberties clash with government ambition and that makes it a natural point
at which to fight the battle.

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