I wonder if that will explain it?

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by malc, Mar 13, 2011.

  1. malc

    malc Guest

    I've just changed the fork oil on the ZZR and when I pulled the springs out
    I noticed that they were the wrong way up according to the Haynes BoL. The
    thin end was uppermost when it should have been downermost. I wonder if that
    will explain the crap suspension that I was moaning about a few months back
    [1]?

    [1] Bike is fine on undulations but hit a sharp bump and it's as though the
    suspension has locked solid.
     
    malc, Mar 13, 2011
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  2. malc

    Dave Emerson Guest

    Would have the slightest impact on unsprung weight but I'd challenge anyone
    to tell the difference.

    What is does indicate is that whoever was in there last didn't put it back
    right.
    Maybe they overfilled the oil level - that would cause the issue you recall.
     
    Dave Emerson, Mar 13, 2011
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  3. malc

    wessie Guest

    perhaps it's a bit of a bender in the one orientation
     
    wessie, Mar 13, 2011
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  4. malc

    malc Guest

    No neither can I but then I'm without clue on suspension set up. It is a
    variable wossname spring with the coils wound tighter at one end than the
    other and it was tightly wound coils downwards whereas (according to the
    BoL) they should have been upwards.
     
    malc, Mar 13, 2011
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  5. malc

    Krusty Guest

    Putting the spring in upside down will raise the oil level (more
    metal, fewer voids in the bottom of the leg), so if whoever did it
    didn't set the level right, you'd have a smaller air gap which could
    indeed cause the problems you mention.
     
    Krusty, Mar 13, 2011
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  6. Sounds very plausible.
     
    steve auvache, Mar 13, 2011
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  7. Maybe if it's tapered it won't fit properly into some other components.

    The ones on the YZ certainly had a different ID top and bottom.
     
    stephen.packer, Mar 13, 2011
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  8. malc

    malc Guest

    These just sit on something with a bit of packing at the top. I think
    Krusty's explanation seems most feasible.
     
    malc, Mar 13, 2011
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  9. Does if it's progressively wound/tempered.
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Mar 13, 2011
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  10. malc

    Krusty Guest

    I can see how it would affect the speed of compression over a long
    stroke if there was a tight-fitting alignment insert in the bottom of
    the spring (more coils touching it so more friction), but that wouldn't
    cause the symptoms described. The 'locked suspension on a sharp bump'
    points at either air gap or high-speed damping.

    Actually thinking about it some more, having the tighter wound coils at
    the bottom could also impede the oil flow through the damper rod holes.
    There'll be less free space for the oil to flow into when the rod's
    compressed, which could definitely affect the high-speed damping.
     
    Krusty, Mar 14, 2011
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  11. malc

    Malc Guest

    Well I've put them back in the other way up (loosely wound coils
    down). A couple of hours work to put all the panels back on and we'll
    see.
     
    Malc, Mar 14, 2011
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