I -still- want one of these.

Discussion in 'Classic Motorbikes' started by Simon Wilson, Nov 15, 2008.

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    Simon Wilson, Nov 15, 2008
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    crn Guest

    In both cases I would want to see a lot more clarity on traceable
    originality. Only a small fraction of the machines claiming to be
    Goldies were actually built as such by BSA.

    Caveat Emptor.
     
    crn, Nov 15, 2008
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    Aye. Frame and engine numbers at least look ok for the first one.
     
    Simon Wilson, Nov 15, 2008
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  4. No. I want one as well. For me, it's one of those few, very few, bikes
    that are utterly timeless and just look superb.

    And, according to legend, go like stink as well.

    Oh, all right: in the same pantheon, for me, as:

    Speed Twin, Black Shadow, Jota, Z1, H2C, 850 America, 900SS (bevel
    drive), CBX, RD350LC, Le Mans, and one or two others I'm too pissed to
    remember.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 15, 2008
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    Rusty_Hinge Guest

    Indeed - when I worked as a motorcycle mechanic in the very early 1960s,
    someone brought a DBD B34 in for repair. It was only months old, and its
    owner had done the usual - over-revved it.

    Pushrod jammed under rocker arm, piston hit valve and broke the head
    off, which, after rattling round in the cylinder for a bit, was caught
    on edge by the piston...

    Funny thing - engine stopped, more-or-less, but flywheels continued with
    the broken con-rod flapping about, which it didn't do for very long, and
    when it stopped flapping it broke the drive-side crankcase half into
    three pieces, right into the bearing housing.

    Unaccountably, the rider fell off...

    Horizontal, the bike continued until it hit something hard and bent the
    front wheel into a thick 'C' shape and adjusted the forks backwards and
    bent the frame.

    In the slide, all the fins on the nearside of the pot were broken off.

    When the bike came to rest, it caught fire.

    I ventured the opinion that it was a complete write-off, and that was
    the opinion of the insurance company, who had kindly donated the
    cremated remains to its owner.

    It was mended...

    Frame straightened, forks straightened, new front rim, wheel rebuilt,
    cylinder head planished, seats recut, everything polished inside,
    rebored barrel, fins welded back on barrel - yes, owner had picked them
    all up - even the crankcase was welded - by an absolute wizard called
    Bill Inglis.

    A new tank, tyres and tubes, mudguards and a few other minor bits
    stirred in, respray, and it was very difficult to see that the bike had
    been damaged at all - when the cylinder head was on, that is.

    Personally, I wouldn't have wanted to own it though, however well it was done.
     
    Rusty_Hinge, Nov 15, 2008
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    SteveH Guest

    Hmmmm, I'm a bit younger, so have different tastes.

    I have one of my big wants, the 750SS.

    I'd love another CBX750, I'd probably have a Jota, my Guzzi choice would
    be an early 90s 1100 Sport Corsa. Add an AR125 as it's the bike I
    drooled over when I was 16. Erm, some kind of big, old 4-pot Kawasaki in
    Lawson colours and an equivalent Yamaha in the yellow / black speedblock
    colours. And a Norton F1. My only 'old' bike would be an Enfield Bullet.

    Just noticed that some company have built a brand new block of garages
    down the road - cost £30 / month.

    So long as the job stuff works out, I can see a spare garage and a
    collection of shite old bikes in my future.
     
    SteveH, Nov 15, 2008
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  7. Come Over To The Dark Side.

    Today:

    I hitched the trailer to the car and went to Sidcup to collect the
    Tenere. Drove back, and dropped it at my local dealer to get the front
    tyre changed and the blowing manifold gasket renewed. Couldn't be arsed
    to do it myself because...

    ....I'm fettling the Super Dream that I got from JackH's Dad. Changed the
    oil, and then sorted out the bodged wiring to the front indicators
    (really crap home-made earth connections to each unit: the circuit was
    as intermittent as a Labour MP's sex life).

    Oh, and someone's buggered the head of the oil filter bolt. All it needs
    is a socket welded to it and it'll come out.....

    Set to with Loyblox, Solvol, Back2Black, T-Cut and wax polish, and my
    Christ, it's coming up nicely. Runs sweetly too.

    Replaced the mounting bracket of the horn on Number One Son's Super
    Dream, because it had fractured and the horn was swinging around on the
    wiring to it. I only noticed because I had to move his bike, and I heard
    this clonk-clonk-clonk noise which was the horn hitting the front
    mudguard.

    "Didn't you notice the horn was hanging in the breeze?"

    "No....."

    And the mounting bracket I used was stouter than the one that had
    broken, so the horn only emitted a feeble buzz, and I made him wait (he
    was going out on it to meet some friends) until I'd twiddled the little
    adjuster screw on the horn so it sounded properly.

    Replaced the blown headlight bulb on the CB125RS. Changed the oil on
    same. Inspected replacement carb, and put it aside for fitment tomorrow.

    Checked the oil level on the XT600, because it's going to Donald Deasy
    Of This Parish tomorrow, and he's riding it back to Scotland (rather him
    than me: it'll do it, no probs, but it's a helluva long way to ride a
    naked dirt bike in mid-November).

    Having loadsabikes is fun, but it does catch up on you now and again....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 15, 2008
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  8. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    The Older Gentleman wrote:

    In my case it's cages as well as bikes. I'm currently on my second
    rented garage.

    Today I was mostly fixing an annoying electrical problem on the Beemer.

    My list of wants on the bike front would be Guzzi Le Mans (Only the
    Mark 1), Triumph T160, XT500, GS1000, RD400, RD350LC, Ducati 450 and
    the aforementioned Goldstar.
     
    Simon Wilson, Nov 15, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    Guzzi 750S3, Norton Commando Roadster, Norton P11, Harley XR750, Vincent
    Comet, Scott Squirrel, Neander (esp the Opel rocket version), Moto Shifty...

    I remember, years ago, reading a test (prolly in Bike) of a Vincent Rapide.
    It was painted Chinese Red, and it looked /superb/.

    Oh, and a Guzzi V8.
     
    platypus, Nov 15, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    Can't be much worse than hauling it across Germany in January.
     
    platypus, Nov 15, 2008
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  11. Blimey! You mean there are people who get

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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Nov 15, 2008
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  12. Heh. Very, very true.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 15, 2008
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    JackH Guest

    Good good... apologies about the above issues you've found - Pater bought
    this bike 'as is' so to speak, and didn't really use it until quite recently
    when he sold the other Superdream he had, off.

    So whilst oil levels etc, have been checked on a regular basis, he's not had
    cause to do much else to it other than ride it now and again.

    Oh, and I will ask about the indicators - the old goat never mentioned any
    issues with these to me, and had I known about this, I'd have either
    mentioned it in the ad or fettled it myself to ensure it was as it should be
    prior to its sale.

    Glad to hear its running sweetly though, and once it's all as it should be,
    be nice to see some pics of it. :)

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    JackH, Nov 16, 2008
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    JackH Guest

    ....or should that be 'forget... to finish a sentence'. :p

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    JackH, Nov 16, 2008
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    sweller, Nov 16, 2008
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    sweller Guest

    V7 Sport or S3 as I mentioned earlier with the addition of:

    Norvin
    http://www.t5net.de/weiteretriumph/norvin-picture.jpg

    Panther
    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d8/Panther_100_600_cc_1936.jpg

    I can't really think of anything else I really like. Possibly a Z1, 70s
    750SS - of the modern stuff that is or will become lustable are the 916
    and early R1.
     
    sweller, Nov 16, 2008
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  17. Nah, no worries whatsoever. All usual stuff to be expected with a 30
    year-old bike.

    The indicators: someone has fitted pattern ones (identical to OE). These
    have a separate earth wire, as pattern ones usually do. That should be
    secured, via a loop connector, on the *inside* of the plastic housing,
    so the bolt that goes through the housing and its metal earth strip into
    the mounting point on the bike can crush the loop connector nicely
    against the earth strip for a good contact.

    Some genius had mounted the loop on the *outside* of the plastic
    housing, relying on the conductivity of the bolt to make a contact with
    the earthing strip inside. And (a) the bolt was rather smaller than the
    hole and (b) the bolt had got a bit old and corroded, so it was only
    making an intermittent contact.

    The fact that *both* front indicators were not working was a Big Fat
    Clue that it was an installation problem and not a flasher unit problem,
    and once I'd sussed it was an earth wire issue (which I suspected right
    from the start, as I've encountered problems with pattern indicator
    earths before) it took just a few minutes to sort.

    The oil filter bolt is more of a bugger, and you can't get Mole grips on
    it because it's recessed in the finning, but welding a socket head on is
    a well-known fix.
    I'll be taking some pix this afternoon. It's come up really well. I
    T-Cut the tank, which cleaned it up no end, as well as as much of the
    frame as I could reach. I've polished the engine side casings and the
    alloy footpeg hangers. The chrome looks great. You'd hardly recognise
    it.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Nov 16, 2008
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    deadmail Guest

    My list:

    -H2C (in purple)
    -Z900
    -Jota
    -KH400 (earlyish model (A3?) post S3 in Candy Emerald Green)
    -H1B (orange)
    -Z650B1 in red.
    -XS650
    -ZXR750H1 (green... owned...)
    -ZXR750K1 (searching...)
    -BMW K1

    Think that's about it. Problem is to buy that lot in reasonable
    condition would probably cost somewhere in the region of 30-50k plus you
    would really want a heated garage for stuff like that (in my opinion.)
    and then you'd need time to work on them and keep them running.

    Hadn't realised there were *quite* so many kawasakis in the list until I
    started writing it out.

    Quite simply irritating that I don't have the money or the time and that
    I've owned a few of these and have let them go and now they're so
    expensive.
     
    deadmail, Nov 16, 2008
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    Rusty_Hinge Guest

    The message <1iqguz7.uhwghr1ujxayoN%>
    from (The Older Gentleman) contains these
    words:
    Not nearly as quickly as their owners would have it...

    The B32s were a much better bike. IMO, of course...
    For me, Big Vin; Comet; Any Douglas except Dragonfly; Wooller; Velo'
    Venom, Viper, MSS, KTT, KSS, MAC, MOV; BMW Rennsport; well, anything
    well-made which has two wheels, really...
     
    Rusty_Hinge, Nov 16, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    I could live with one of them.

    Fantasising:

    Egli Vincent
    Early drum brake Morini Sport (like my mate has mouldering away in his
    garage)
    Suzuki Super Six

    I suppose if I were to drop some of the current stable I could probably
    make room and finance for one of the last two on the list.

    As my mate opined yesterday. No point having a complete spare for a bike
    you never ride anyway, as it is never going to be worn out.

    So, a brace of Nordwests (plus a complete original brand new early
    black/pink bodywork kit) anybody?


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    Pete Fisher, Nov 16, 2008
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