I do believe I managed it.

3 primer (after prepping), fl\tting back so it IS flat (guide coat to ensure
that) 3 colour and finally 3 lacquer. Lacquer is also flatted and the
polished. As Hog said when we did his "It's never looked as good as it does
now". I might have done in the showroom, but I doubt it.

All German cars have - for quite some time - used less paint than most other
manufacturers (emisions innit?) and no clear coat at all where the paint
surface isn't visible. Under the bonnet for a start, on the inner edge of
the wigs which are under the bonnet and places like that. The amount of
lacquer applied is **** all too, which is why it's not very tolerant of
being rubbed. Porsche's are (oddly you might think) very susceptable to
chipping and paint flaing, What you're seeing is the etch primer, so the
next stop is metal.

My son served his time at a place called Road and Race, painting Porsches,
Rollers, Silverstone's etc and we were down there last week with a pal who
wanted a second quote for his Carrera Turbo for insurance purposes after the
finish failed to meet his expectations. Ten fucking grand they said. We'll
be doing the job for him after he decided after seeing the pictures of Hog's
Porsche we've repaired on a few occasions, but the insco are defintely going
to have to dig deepish.

But you discovered the finish didn't last. You won't be the first or the
last. If it was new, hammering on Porsche's and getting them to have a look
probably isn't a bad idea.

We don't stove enamel (does anyone these days?) but we can get them powder
coated, although good quality lacquer is the choice for most. And yes, we
polish rims.


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They're even better known for their paint being a little on the "is there
paint on at all" side. Mercedes are going the same way. when you can see the
primer through the paint, you KNOW you're in for trouble.

Agreed. Bumper, bonnet, front of front wings and front of the rear quarters
just in front of the back wheels are all "hot spots" for chips on Porsche's.

Porsche fit a similar thing to the rear quarters on the Carrera's. They
obviously don't think it needs it all across the front though.

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<eggsucking time>
I have a feeling that this may be connected with the EEC changeover to
water based paint. It is hard to put a decently thick coat of the damn
stuff on without it running.
But ICBW, it could just be the germans skinflinting on the paint.

 

The paint on my '02 Audi is pretty damn hard - given it's use as an
intercontinental shuttle runner it really should have far more
imperfect bits than it does.

Mercedes has their ceramiclear clear coat that is bastard tough most of
the time and just a bastard at any other time.

Otherwise, you have the general gist of it, except it's not just a
German trait.

 

Aqua paint just doesn't have the covering power of other paints, but that
doesn't account for the shite lacquer on top of the aqua paint. That's still
an emmisions thing. And as you say, cheapshit money saving.

Aqua based paints can be applied as thick as any other paint, it just needs
a different technique, but thickness has never been an issue, coverage is
the important thing.

Not just the Germans though, although they're probably the worst. Peugot,
Citroen and Renault have brought artistic orange peel back into fashion it's
that obvious on their sheds.


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They (Audi) are getting very similar these days. A wekk may be a long time
in politics, but a couple of years isn't very long in the emmisions world.

Another idea borrowed from Ferrari.

You're absolutely correct. Everyone is caught up in the emmisions control
thing and it's only going to get worse. Thankfully (or therwise) the
introduction of ALL vehicle paints being water based only has fallen at the
first hurdle, so we can still get acrylics and 2PK.


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Aaargh - that there is one of my pet peeves. No excuse for it, except
laziness. Of course, it used to be the mark of a shoddy repaint, but
now, the manufacturers are making it easier for the cowboys to hide!

 

took a blunt brush and painted...

That's exactly what I'm suggesting.

In fact I know it's a fact, for my car, and that one car wash, at that time.
Possibly some filthy car a few in front of me, or broken water recycling
filtration, I've no idea. I knew I had zero chance of proving their car wash
did it, so I'll deal with it. And never use that car wash again!

Hand washed every time apart from this once. When I got home I immediately
noticed the tiny white flecks from front to back of the bonnet, about 1 1/2
dozen of them. (bit difficult to miss them, black car, no prior chips
anywhere, suddenly loads are there)

The bloody thing also chipped the laquer on the drivers rear alloy (I felt
the big sideways thump as the thing hit the wheel)

The car wash is in a Tescos Hypermarket petrol station and is used a hell of
a lot, as you go though it you can see rust all over the place on it and it's
only about 2 years old.

See above.

How accurate is the touch up paint you get with those?

The car does need detailed properly but there's no point doing that till I
get the bonnet sorted.

 

You need to provide the make and model of the car, along with build
year and paint code - so I would guess it's pretty much spot on.

Well you'd better hurry up, winter isn't going to be kind.

 

Pet peeve of mine too, but doing a repaint and keeping the same texture is a
twat. And they're painted by robots these days too, so it's not going to
improve. The tops of the cars (boot, bonnet, roof) are usually pretty flat,
but the sides look like that've been finished by a fucking gorilla.


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took a blunt brush and painted...

Nice. I wasn't aware that any of those repair kits matched paint with that
much detail. Noted, ta.

I know. Might just garage the Boxster for the winter and using the M3.

 

Sounds good. And what sort of cost would that lot be to re-do the bonnet?
(email addy is valid if you want to use that)

I guessed it was down to the primer.

I know there's a few pissed off GT2 (3?) owners with bubbling bonnets but
thats nothing to do with the paint but the bonner construction.

Nothing does nowadays without the application of money. Ah well, it's what we
earn it for.

Nope, just over 2 years old when I got it.

Got a set of 19"s for the M3 that are flaking to hell (done really cheaply by
the last person) and the alloys on the Boxster are black with polished rims.
Laquer has flaked off in a couple of places on the rims. I'm not sure if its
possible to get the polished rims re-done without taking whole wheel back to
bare metal and re-doing the lot?

 

The OE paint on European cars is utter shite. Look through the thin laquer
on a new Porker et all and you see orange peel. When splashing 70+ grand on
a toy this is upsetting.
OK I understand where the Envirowankers were coming from, and for mass
produced shite I can accept the argument, but for hand finished, upmarket
and specialist cars there should have been an exception.

As for wheels, I would suggest not fucking around with them. A good powder
coating beats painting every time.

 

I honestly question whether you're the same bloke I meet face-to-face.
I mean under those circumstances you're almost reasonable.

 

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:10:46 -0000, "'Hog"

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Bwahaha.

Surely you mean that for such a large amount of money the
manufacturers should make a bit more of an effort? Still, if there's
enough idiots around willing to pay for a name rather than quality
nobody can blame the suppliers .

 

Erm what did I say wrong?

"I'm special and I expect better than the white trash sitting over there"

Or are you arguing about the actual paint quality?

 

It is the technology. The shite paint they have to use is a dud.

 

Then maybe they should spend some of their profits developing an
acceptable product that lasts?

 

Primer's changed a LOT over the past few years. Some won't even bond with
clean bare metal while other seem to have a dislike of anything being put on
top of them. Odd when you realise that the primers job is to do both things.
We tend to use etch primer more and more these days because of it.

The thing is, for lots of people, the cost of a Porsche qualifies as
"applying money".

No chance then.

And the black isn't stoved either, it's just paint.

If the edge is polished, then all the lacquer has to come off the polished
section. Trouble is, it's not always lacquer, sometimes it's anodised
because if it's properly polished, lacquer doesn't stick as it's nothing
more than un pigmented paint and paints need a primer on bare metal. What
needs to be done is a polish, then an application of "Scotch-Brite" to give
it a slightly "brushed ali" look and that gives the lacquer something to key
onto.

Or.... You have the rim edges polished to a REALLY high gloss and then they
don't need lacquer, they just need the occasional cheering up with Autosol
or Peek. I've got ali parts that look as good now as they did when they were
polished 4 or 5 years ago, but they really DO have to be polished well.

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And it's already out there, but the manufacturers have to contend with the
EU emissions rules and no-one is better at doing that than ze Chermans.

I can paint a car and guarantee the paint won't get fucked for the life of
the car, even if the car changes owners, but it costs proper money. Money
that not many people are prepared to spend.

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