I Believe...

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Nigel Eaton, Jan 3, 2004.

  1. Nigel Eaton

    Nigel Eaton Guest

    That Michael Howard is a slimy git, who'd **** his granny on live TV if
    he thought it would get him into number 10.
     
    Nigel Eaton, Jan 3, 2004
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    Mike Guest

    Nigel Eaton started...
    A nice and shiny new thread... Excellent.
     
    Mike, Jan 3, 2004
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    Hog Guest

    So who would you rather have? you anti-semitic goit ;o)
     
    Hog, Jan 3, 2004
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    tallbloke Guest

    Tony Blairs Granny?
     
    tallbloke, Jan 3, 2004
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    Catman Guest

    And so is different from other politicians how, exactly? :)

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    Catman, Jan 3, 2004
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  6. Nigel Eaton

    Nigel Eaton Guest

    Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Andy Bonwick
    No, I'm going to be here. I'm going to kill this fucking thread
    though... ;^)
     
    Nigel Eaton, Jan 3, 2004
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    flashgorman Guest

    I've never liked you Champ[1].



    [1] I hope that people realise that I am just having a go at Champ and not
    badly dressed old people in general.
     
    flashgorman, Jan 3, 2004
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    Eddie Guest

    "Not at all. It's not even a real nose."
     
    Eddie, Jan 3, 2004
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    Oldbloke Guest

    And this distinguishes him from other politicos how, exactly?

    Anarchy, it's the only way forward.

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    Oldbloke, Jan 3, 2004
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  10. I believe his "i believe" statements show that for all the gloss the
    Tory Party is still the party of Thatcher and selfishness. Still it is
    nice to have something resembling a political opposition party again.
    Might make Labour stop and think for a little while.
     
    Paul Corfield, Jan 3, 2004
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    Cane Guest

    Nope, but he's sure got the measure of you ;)
     
    Cane, Jan 3, 2004
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    Cane Guest

    *waves*
     
    Cane, Jan 3, 2004
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    Cane Guest

    At last.
     
    Cane, Jan 3, 2004
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  14. Nigel Eaton

    Cane Guest

    I bet it would be on pay per view.... but I'd watch it.

    I like the bit:

    "I do not believe that one person's poverty is caused by another's wealth"

    In fact there's nothing on the list that I don't like.
     
    Cane, Jan 3, 2004
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    Hog Guest

    Tony Blair and the New Labour plot remind me of the early days of... Adolf
    Hitler
     
    Hog, Jan 3, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    I read the 15 points and apart from many of them being self evident I
    couldn't see why anyone would find them 'selfish'. I think Paul C.
    posted something like "the tories are back to Thatcherism" and I must
    admit I can't see anything in the 'principles' that is objectionable.

    http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1115024,00.html


    Then again I am a life long Tory; although, of late, a reluctant one
    since the party has been drifting to the right and I think my natural
    'position' in the 'political spectrum' is similar to that of the current
    Labour Government.

    The only way the Tories will get re-elected (IMO) is to study what
    Labour did to become re-electable; they first fixed their membership
    before they moved forward.

    The Tory party will *always* have a bunch of bigots within its
    membership but at the moment (IMO) the bigots form too large a part of
    the membership because the 'decent' people have floated off to other
    parties or just given up. They should have had Clarke as a 'caretaker'
    leader to get the left of the party back to encourage the membership to
    rejoin and get a proper balance.

    I've never belonged to any political party; I don't plan to start now
    either...
     
    deadmail, Jan 3, 2004
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    flashgorman Guest

    You're my imaginary friend.
     
    flashgorman, Jan 3, 2004
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    Hog Guest

    Well I'm the living truth of that obviously...
     
    Hog, Jan 3, 2004
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    Ben Blaney Guest

    Of course there isn't. It's very cleverly written. And it bears
    relatively little relation to the content of a manifesto (ie a list of
    legislation to be brought in).

    To take a couple of points that stood out for me:

    <MH> I believe that the people should be big. That the state should be
    small
    <BB> You could well expect this from me, but I believe that shrinking
    the "state" leads to greater poverty among the poor, and more scarce
    resources in Education and Health. Fairly simple stuff - but they're
    banking on people not thinking about the consequences, and being carried
    away on an emotional wave of "yeah, people big, state small".

    <MH> I believe that people must have every opportunity to fulfil their
    potential
    <BB> Fairly meaningless. How is he going to express that in policy
    terms?

    <MH> I believe in equality of opportunity. Injustice makes us angry
    <BB> Let's start with the injustice of William Arthur Philip Louis
    Windsor's wealth and power by an accident of birth.

    <MH> I believe every parent wants their child to have a better
    education than they had
    <BB> So, in the next Tory manifesto I'd expect to see university fees
    abolished, and grants returned, to allow working class children, whose
    parents are not graduates to go to university.

    <MH> I believe every child wants security for their parents in their
    old age
    <BB> Who broke the link between pensions and earnings? Look forward to
    that being restored, Michael.

    <MH>I do not believe that one person's poverty is caused by another's
    wealth
    <BB> No, but redistributing that wealth can create a fairer, stronger
    and wiser society.

    <MH>I believe that Britain should defend her freedom at any time,
    against all comers, however mighty
    <BB> I wonder if he includes the yanks in that.
     
    Ben Blaney, Jan 3, 2004
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    deadmail Guest

    But I suppose so much of it depends on the interpretation.

    And a view on this one could be that it had nothing to do with shrinking
    services from the state, more shrinking the interference from the state;
    stopping nonsense like SORN, stopping the spread of speed cameras in
    inappropriate areas, stopping the need for me to pay any taxes, stopping
    the er... did I really write that bit. whoops.

    Well, you get the picture, I thought this was probably about shrinking
    'non-essential' stuff like a lot of the frippery that *seems* to be
    around like all the quangos that we *seem* to have.
    Oh, reducing legislation on employers to allow them to hire more easily.
    Reducing taxes on employment to encourage more jobs to come into the UK.
    Not signing up to various bits of 'Euro' legislation that increase
    beurocracy for a company.
    Well that's a non-starter really Ben. I mean I'm sure you have some
    benefits as an accident of your birth; you've got a good head on your
    shoulders (fucking ugly though) inherited from your parents and is it
    fair that this intelligence should give you a better earning potential
    throughout your life?

    Actually I think it's the middle class that get bashed since the
    children of people on 'low wages' are exempted from fees.

    Can you explain the rational behind that? A graduate will earn more
    than a non-graduate throughout their career (on average). Why is it
    then, that we are being asked to subsidise some and not others based on
    parents' income?
    I don't see why this link needs to be restored. It's the link between
    the pension and inflation that matters, surely.

    More importantly than that, I think they need to sort out the fucking
    pension schemes that have sunk. Still sulking about the equitable not
    being supervised properly and costing me about 3 blaney-bets.

    I think we should have a fair 'support system' but not wholescale
    redistribution.
    Now that, is a good question. I think his answer is "America is our
    friend, our special friend".



    And I think that prolly illustrates why I'm a Tory and you're a lefty.
    I don't believe all of the above btw; most of it is me though.
     
    deadmail, Jan 3, 2004
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