I am getting so fed up with this blame stuff

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Simon Wilson, Jul 13, 2009.

  1. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    You may recall SWMBO took it up the rear a while ago from a ZZR1400.

    The claim's still all going through, couple of grand to fix up the car.
    Matey came out of hospital a while back and picked up the remnants of
    his leathers and other bits and bobs I had saved for him.

    Plod called up today and asked if we wanted to prosecute. Why, I mean
    why? What good does that do *anyone*?

    I despair.
     
    Simon Wilson, Jul 13, 2009
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  2. Simon Wilson

    darsy Guest

    victim culture, innit.
     
    darsy, Jul 13, 2009
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  3. Simon Wilson

    TOG@Toil Guest

    As long as Matey's insurance has admitted liability and agreed to pick
    up the tab, I'd agree with you.

    If they haven't, then I would go for a prosecution if only because you
    might have a devil of a time getting payment out of them otherwise.

    Meanwhile, I await with interest to see what Twatty and his Essex Dad
    have cooked up together in their claim against me for being so stupid
    as to run into his car door, which he decided to open in the middle
    lane of the M25....
     
    TOG@Toil, Jul 13, 2009
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  4. Simon Wilson

    Timo on tour Guest

    *Please* tell they're not seriously putting in a claim...
     
    Timo on tour, Jul 13, 2009
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  5. Simon Wilson

    Switters Guest

    Once, on a particularly torturous journey down the A30 for some surf, we
    got stuck in the mother of all hold-ups. This was back in the day before
    it was all dual carraigeway, although at the time, we were on the dual
    section. It was a hot, windless, summers day. After 10 minutes of not
    moving, which had already followed 30 minutes of slow crawling, my mate
    says "**** this, you drive", as he jumps out the car, grabs his skateboard
    and starts riding through the traffic.

    We never thought about the effect it could have on filtering bikers.

    The funniest bit was when the traffic did start rolling. He just grabbed
    onto the car through the open window for a bit of motion assistance. He
    nearly came a cropper though when I edged out to the cat's eyes.
     
    Switters, Jul 13, 2009
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  6. Looks that way.

    Irritatingly, it buggers up your no-claims while it's active, but I'm
    hoping my insco will see them off. If not, I'll bypass them entirely, as
    we did when The Doctor was skittled, and unleash our Nasty Bastard
    lawyer.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 13, 2009
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  7. Simon Wilson

    Krusty Guest

    Your reply may be 'no', plenty of others would reply 'how much do you
    think I could get?'. Depressing I know.
     
    Krusty, Jul 13, 2009
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  8. Simon Wilson

    Timo Geusch Guest

    "We have no clue about traffic law but we're clearly the victim here".

    Some people...
    Given that inscos tend to work on the assumption that they're spending
    other people's money, I'd put him on standby already.
     
    Timo Geusch, Jul 13, 2009
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  9. Simon Wilson

    Beav Guest

    Don't kid yourself. They certainly have a clue when it comes to shifting
    blame and as the car driver in a car v bike incident, they've got a better
    chance than TOG unless TOG does his Nasty Bastard Lawyer thing.

    Bikes are already seen as being in the wrong even when they're parked in
    your own garage and as we all know, all bikers are cunts.

    --
    Beav

    VN 750
    Zed 1000
    OMF# 19
     
    Beav, Jul 14, 2009
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  10. Simon Wilson

    Adrian Guest

    A good point.

    Bike filtering through solid traffic on closed m'way hits stationary car.

    Definitely lawyer o'clock.
     
    Adrian, Jul 14, 2009
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  11. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Simon Wilson
    The interesting part of this (for me) is why are you involved in the
    decision over whether to prosecute at all?

    Either an offence has been committed, or it hasn't. The "victim" should
    have no say whatsoever in the decision IMHO.

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jul 14, 2009
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  12. Hear bloody hear.

    We had a similar thing a while back - Nicky's car was broken into and
    when we gave the statement to the plastic pigs, they wanted to know how
    it made us 'feel' when we discovered it.

    I told them to mind their own business and crack on with finding the
    crim. Having said that, one of them them couldn't find their hat - so
    the chance of them finding a stolen sat nav is pretty slim.
     
    Simon Atkinson, Jul 14, 2009
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  13. Simon Wilson

    darsy Guest


    for criminal prosecutions, certainly. And in fact, the decision should
    be made by the CPS, not the beak.

    The decision on whether to procede with a civil lawsuit however, for
    instance to gain recompense for damages should by definition be made
    by the "victim".
     
    darsy, Jul 14, 2009
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  14. Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, darsy
    Oh, sure. But this is plod asking about a prosecution, is it not?

    --
    Wicked Uncle Nigel - "He's hopeless, but he's honest"

    I have already made the greatest contribution to the fight against climate
    change that I can make: I have decided not to breed. Now quit bugging me and
    go and talk to the Catholics.
     
    Wicked Uncle Nigel, Jul 14, 2009
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  15. Simon Wilson

    darsy Guest

    it looks that way. I ought to have ordered my two paragraphs above in
    the opposite order. My point concerning the OP's suggestion that plod
    were asking if he wanted /them/ to prosecute; but that it's not up to
    them - it's up to the CPS.

    If they used a phrase such as "do you want to press charges", and
    Simon had said "yes", AFAIK all this means is that the cops could
    arrest and question the bloke, not that they had any automatic right
    to take him to court for whatever it is they're thinking of
    "prosecuting" him for.

    But, IANAL, so **** knows, really.
     
    darsy, Jul 14, 2009
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  16. Simon Wilson

    boots Guest

    Perhaps the police are trying to determine if Simon will go through
    the bother of giving statements, going to court etc.
     
    boots, Jul 14, 2009
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  17. Simon Wilson

    Alex Ferrier Guest

    I though it was some part of a Nu-Labour feel good iniative.
    If you are going to try people in the court of public opinion,
    get the public involved in the whole process as early as possible.
     
    Alex Ferrier, Jul 14, 2009
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  18. Simon Wilson

    Timo Geusch Guest

    Trouble is that when it comes to any sort of bike accident it almost
    always is lawyer o'clock as 'guilty until proven innocent' seems to
    apply.
     
    Timo Geusch, Jul 14, 2009
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  19. Simon Wilson

    Simon Wilson Guest

    I didn't take the call, so can't be sure. But even as he was being flown
    away in the helicopter plod were muttering about doing him. They had no
    evidence so were possibly trying it on - but to what end I have no idea.
     
    Simon Wilson, Jul 14, 2009
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  20. Heh. Well, events have changed.

    Btw, got that paint mixed yet? 'Cos I've got to send you some dosh, if
    so.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jul 14, 2009
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