Most of you are probably aware of the ridiculous situation with Ventura forcing people to buy a rack and bag kit instead of just the rack. Well today I ordered a set of L brackets and a sports rack (the short one) without having to provide half a tag from a Ventura bag after Kenma (the Aus distributor) said it wasn't necessary when buying the sports rack. Suits me because I want it to put a top box on, which I already have so I didn't want to buy a bag. This means that if you want to buy a rack and L brackets but no bag, you can because the only time they demand a tag to prove ownership of a bag is when you want to buy L brackets and the full size rack. Even if you want the full the full size rack without the bag, you can... ie. Buy L brackets & sports rack 0 Buy full size rack separately (if necessary) TOTAL 5 That's still 0 less than the cheapest Ventura rack and bag kit and you could sell the sports rack if you don't really want it. Seems that Ventura/Kenma haven't really thought this through very well. Cheers.