How could Biaggi Whine?

Rossi's pass of Max was far from "lowbrow" Max has come close to running
Rossi off the track on more than a couple occasions only to have his tires
go off, or have his bike inthe gravel trap with Rossi pressuring him. Not
an "artfull" pass
Give me a break!

By the way, Max seemed happy with second, and that is hardly the norm for
him...
CE

 

While I agree that Max has "leaned" on Rossi before, I do think it was at
least a slightly questionable pass (kind of like the KRJR/Barros thing
a few years back).

 

I think that Rossi is quite willing to lean on Max on or off the
track. After the block Max dropped back and was unwilling to take the
race back to Rossi. Previous to this move he was more confident. Rossi
is totally out of line with this sort of riding and I'll bet he will
only pack it in when someone breaks his pretty face. That was very
embarrising and is just a measure of how immature and undeserving
Rossi is.

 

Huh? What race were you watching? When did Rossi block Biaggi?

 

Are you for real? It's called racing. The pass wasn't dangerous.
Rossi was nowhere near running Max off. That particular pass had
Rossi controlling the apex. The fact that he couldn't quite hold the
tight line didn't change that fact. I doubt very much he was
intentionally trying to bang fairing with Max, even though letting
someone know you mean business is not uncommon in pro racing.

After the pass, Max didn't want to risk binning it because there were
only a handful of laps left and he knew the tires weren't there for
him at that point. Smart of him. Why is Rossi undeserving, BTW?

 

I don't really understand the big deal here.
- They didn't touch.
- They didn't fall off.
- Rossi got far enough alongside that Biaggi knew he was there and sat
up
- After all the other passes, Biaggi knew he was going to make an
attempt somewhere. It's not as though this was unexpected.
- This didn't look any worse to me than the sort of thing that happens
in the last few laps of almost every 125 and 250 GP.
- And the key thing. Having made the pass, Rossi pulled away enough that
Biaggi couldn't do the same thing back.
- Capirossi on Harada was probably out of order. This wasn't in the same
league at all.

I'm not sure we understand as observers just how much they both wanted
that win. After 25 laps at that pace, even the most hardened racer can
do things that look insane to us. Like Bayliss-Edwards rubbing elbows at
WFO at Monza.

And finally a little vignette. After the race, HRC boss Kouji Nakajima
crouching between the transporters smoking a cigarette with his head
down. "I'd like it if he was still riding for Honda. It was a pity that
Valentino left Honda". Which roughly translated into westernese means
"bugger, bugger, bugger. I'm going to get so much shit when I get back
to Japan."

 

Thanks again Julian

I felt flames coming when I started this thread...

I am not trying to deify Rossi or say that he does not take some
aggressive moves at times; but what do we really enjoy about motorcycle
racing?

Maybe some people have been watching too much boring Formula One ? (of
which I am also a huge fan), But somehow I don't see Schumi racing at
Williams next Year.. (get it?)

Craig

 

YUP, and that is making Rossi outstanding. (But anyhow, Schumi did a move
some years ago, but in the opposite) Hope he will show his talent
additional years to the public.

Henry
.....

 

Are you for real? It's called racing. The pass wasn't dangerous.

Aw......Go to War

 

My impression of the pass was that Rossi went in too deep to hit his apex on
purpose but also made sure he was along side Biaggi BEFORE he went wide, thus
allowing him to effectively and safely control both his and Biaggi's lines.
Call it a cleanly executed block pass. It may not have been an "artful"
pass, but there's no reason that it wasn't just as deliberate and calculated
as any nicer looking pass. They come in all shapes and sizes.

-Chris-

 

I'm not sure what people are complaining about. Rossi made a daring
pass and made it cleanly. If people don't like seeing that, maybe they
should turn into some Formula One races because you won't see any of
that roughhousing called "racing."

 

In practice, making a pass while racing is nothing more than disrupting your
competitor's line, which a lot of times will impact your competitor's
action materially. Because, if you didn't impact his actions
materially, you wouldn't have passed him. Otherwise, the guy you
passed was just slow.

 

Sure you can outbrake a guy into a corner (what Rossi did) but to stay
on the brakes and run out to the grass - way off the apex - and force
your competitor to seriously rethink the corner is cheap and mindless
stuff from the "World Champion". All on prime time TV too, what was he
thinking? Was he thinking at all!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Yep, you obviously saw another race than what actually happened in
South Africa. Rossi was never on the grass. If he ever did get on the
grass, Biaggi would not have been passed.

 

I actually agree with the statement that the majority of overtaking moves
actually result in forcing your opponent to change the line. After all,
people are fighting for the "best line". That is racing. To think you can
utterly cleanly outbrake and overtake on an outside line is naive. Anyone
that's raced *once* knows how aggressive guys are even in club races. They
take pride in being more macho and making you concede the line if you leave
even slightly open. The protocol that leads to it when 2 top guys fight for
the line is about as unfathomable as when you watch a bicycle race and see
how rough and tough things get towards the finish, with blatant cutting off
and pushing to the fence that is accepted by the top finishers as protocol.
Typically the guy that is in front has every advantage when it comes to
claiming the best line, and it's bad form to push him off that line unless
he leaves it somewhat open. For some reason, Biaggi left an opening, and
this is top racing and Rossi immediately claimed it. If both guys had fallen
off the bike, if there had been contact, if Biaggi had been pushed off
track - all of that indications that Rossi's move wasn't sufficiently
calculated, but the fact is that none of that happened, and thus we must
assume he saw a perfectly valid opening and exploited it, and Biaggi knew
it.

....pablo

 

He is a natural born whinger.

 

That it was amazing to see Rossi get him back in the same place the
following lap?

 

In some 40 years of observing and participating in motor sports, I
have noticed that, with few exceptions, the more gifted a rider or
driver is, the more they act like spoiled children.

What they do requires a kind self confidence that borders on
pathological. I watch them perform their astonishing feats and
generally avoid listening to them talk.

Bill Smith

 

Hmmm...."Pathological"; sounds clever but pathology is the study of
disease. Did you mean "Clinical"? Don't get off the subject though,
Rossi is the guy who has bought Muppets and Puppets to F1 and I don't
think he quite belongs here.

 

I meant pathological as in disease. I don't understand your reference
to muppets and puppets, but if he can drive a formula 1 car, he
belongs there.

Bill Smith