Honda keys

Buying a nice 2009 CBR125R for Mrs Vass
the owner has 2 keys not 3 and I forgot to ask
not seen the other key, just a blue one in the bike tonight
Am I right in thinking there is an all important red key for honda to copy
if needed?
if missing is it a big enough reason to walk away?
Bikes lovely and good price.
TIA

 

Nope

http://ww1.honda.co.uk/news/motorcycles/20070308.html

Just like my 1999 CBR6, there are 2 keys issued with a bike. They have bog
standard RFID chips in them and a Honda dealer can pair another key to the
bike if needed.

 

You can probably also get them cloned at Timpsons, too.

 

I'm interested if that's the case- i recently bought a honda bike with
only one key. To obtain a second i had to

1. Visit local dealer to buy blank
2. Take said blank to a key cutter to copy physical attributes of the
key
3. Return to honda to have them remove fuel tank and do some trickery
to have ECU recognise the new key

All in all about £60 and 2-3 hours of time, totally ott i felt.

Will

 

http://www.timpson.co.uk/services/66/car-key-programming

 

Hmm... In my admittedly limited experience, there's a gap netween what
Timpsons think they can do and what they can actually do.
Most modern keys need to be "paired" with the vehicle's immobiliser by the
main dealer or an appropriate specialist.

Tim

 

Not quite right - remote keys for alarm and locking systems need this.
If you have a plain transponder key, then cloning works.

This will be the case with almost every motorbike key.

 

tember.org:

The seem to be claiming they can clone RFID tags. If that is possible[1]
then I don't see why the vehicle's ECU would need to be played with.

[1] loads of hits on google suggest it is

 

I had a Fiat key cloned by them last year - one of the CODE transponder
keys which Fiat were incredibly proud of back in the mid 90s.

They reckoned, at the time, that the only way to get a spare key was to
take your car and the red 'master' to them - this later turned out to be
bullshit when Timpsons got their cloning kit.

 

Fair enough. My experience has been restricted to the family cars.

Tim

 

The one on Cannon St won't do motorcycle keys, even a boring old blank
so Linda can open the Wing's topbox - luckily, the Monument one will.

 

I just had a spare made for my BMW. Since the bike isn't here, I
showed the dealer proof of ID and ownership and the VIN. Less than 48
hours later, a new key was in my hands. It cost $50. Of course, if it
didn't have the coding, it would be a fraction of that. Progress.

 

While you're there, Steve: I had a battery charging issue with the
Vectra over Christmas and this resulted in the thing going completely
flat twice. By completely flat, I mean flat enough to zero the trip
meter part of the odometer.

I'm now reduced to manually unlocking the thing, as the remote
unlocking keys seem to have failed: one went and I changed the
batteries in it to no avail, but the spare worked so I swapped them
over - now the erstwhile spare has packed it in too. It was only
recently that I put two and two together and realised that the loss of
function related to the very cold spells when the car battery went flat.

Does this mean I've no alternative but to go to a Vx dealer and pay
stupid amounts of money? I'll forgo the luxury of bipping the thing
and stick to keying it each time, if that's the case.

 

Some of the manufacturers use rolling coded systems now which need to
be programmed to the ecu/ key

I know timpsons cant do some of the citroen/pug or fiat keys .

 

Try putting the key in the ignition, turning 'on', but not starting the
car, then pressing and holding the 'door open' button - that, I believe,
will re-sync an existing key / fob to the car.

 

Ah, good old boy. I'll give that a go in a minute. I was hoping you'd
come up with something as simple as that.

 

<awaits 'car immobile' post>

 

Woo, and I might add, hoo! It only went an' bleedin' worked, dinnit?
Method approved and committed to memory, TY*V*M, Steve.

 

His heart's in the right place.

 

For now...