[QUOTE="Catman"] Erm. 65 I paid for mine. Harvey's or Ratners or some such shite shop.[/QUOTE] You prove my point for me. I'm after 6-4 aircraft grade (or better) not shitty grade alloy. [QUOTE] Mined eww it is plain Titanium, not coloured.[/QUOTE] Mine will be mirror polished. [QUOTE] Even so the shop where I had it sized down in Harlow had a range of quite funky ones at the 100-200 mark[/QUOTE] /2 to get the dollar equivilent :) [QUOTE] Just did :)[/QUOTE] Now you see why I'm doing it then.... [QUOTE] Getting timed out [/QUOTE] works here. cut and paste: "Illegitimis non carborundum" by Mark Israel Yes, this means "Don't let the bastards grind you down", but it is not real Latin; it is a pseudo-Latin joke. "Carborundum" is a trademark for a very hard substance composed of silicon carbide, used in grinding. (The name "Carborundum" is a blend of "carbon" and "corundum". "Corundum" denotes aluminium oxide, and comes to English from Tamil kuruntam; it is related to Sanskrit kuruvinda = "ruby".) "The "-ndum" ending suggests the Latin gerundive, which is used to express desirability of the activity denoted by the verb, as in Nil desperandum = "nothing to be despaired of"; addendum = "(thing) fit to be added"; corrigendum = "(thing) fit to be corrected"; and the name Amanda, from amanda = "fit to be loved"). Illegitimis is the dative plural of illegitimus = "illegitimate"; the gerundive in Latin correctly takes the dative to denote the agent. Illegitimus could conceivably mean "bastard" in Latin, but was not the usual word for it: Follett World-Wide Latin Dictionary (Follett, 1967) gives nothus homo for bastard of known father, and spurius for bastard of unknown father. The phrase seems to have originated with British army intelligence early in World War II. It was popularized when U.S. general Joseph W. "Vinegar Joe" Stilwell (1883-1946) adopted it as his motto. Various variant forms are in circulation.