Help Please... Tuning stuff

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Dynamic, Jan 20, 2004.

  1. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    Right, since the Goose has been running rough[1], presumably due to it
    running rich, I thought I'd try and put everything back to standard (plus I
    need the road can back on ready to Mot the bike next month). The guy who I
    got the bike off gave me a plastic bag, which contained a few screws from
    God knows where, and what he claims to be the origional main jet.

    Today, I stripped the carbs, changed the main jet, checked everything else
    was clear, then rebuilt the carbs, and refitted the origional exhaust. Still
    running rough. Opened the carbs again and changed the needle valve thing to
    the only other setting available, put top back on. Put fuel tank back on,
    turn to on... carbs flood :-/

    Stripped the carbs again, put new o-ring things on parts of the floats and
    build up again, carbs don't flood anymore, but it's still running rough.
    The only other thing I can think to do is play with the mixture screw or try
    a new spark plug. Any advice anyone?

    [1] Rough as in if you open the throttle, it nearly chokes it's self then
    picks up after about a second, but pops and backfires constantly.
     
    Dynamic, Jan 20, 2004
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  2. Dynamic

    darsy Guest

    next time you buy a 2nd hand bike, make sure it's running properly
    before you part with the cash.
     
    darsy, Jan 21, 2004
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    Petel Guest

    Check for air leaks at the carb inlet manifold/rubber and exhaust header.

    --
    Petel .
    02 M2 Buell.
    C90-ZZR.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peteh1/website/index.html
     
    Petel, Jan 21, 2004
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  4. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    Well, it did appear to be running ok with the race can on, and it's just
    slowly started getting rougher. Then I found out it was supposed to pick up
    between 7-11 thousand Rpm, which it doesn't, but that could of been due to
    the attempt whoever made at tuning it for the exhaust.
     
    Dynamic, Jan 21, 2004
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  5. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    The carb inlet manifold/rubber is fine, but I'll have to check the exhaust
    header.
     
    Dynamic, Jan 21, 2004
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  6. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    Fuel is fresh, so head down to local bike shop later for a couple of spare
    plugs.
     
    Dynamic, Jan 21, 2004
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  7. [1] Rough as in if you open the throttle, it nearly chokes it's self
    seek professional advice...balance carbs...look at ignition timing
    umm...chokes can be either rich or lean, rich usually recovers and revs
    lean will recover for a bit and struggle to rev...although it can be lean in
    the idle and rich in the main frinstance, then it will recover, run ok, then
    die in upper revs

    pops and backfires is usually ignition or cam timing
    lean idle will pop and crackle on overrun
    on 2 strokes carbon build up can be a problem
     
    fulliautomatix, Jan 21, 2004
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  8. Dynamic

    Petel Guest

    Do me a favour;-)

    Post make/year/model of bike (not just "Goose")
    Post carb make (Keihin/Mikuni/Stomberg!) and diameter and type (normally
    cast into the carb body somewhere I.E PD-375D.
    CV or round-slide?
    Tell me what size main you changed to.
    How many turns out on the mixture.
    Std or aftermarket filter.
    Make of exhaust.
    Type/heat range of plugs (hotter or colder than Std.)

    I might be able to help, then again I might not.

    --
    Petel .( asking for a full diagnosis by description and text on the internet
    is like asking directions from a thermos-flask.....full of
    well-meaning,warming content...no fucking information!)
    02 M2 Buell.
    C90-ZZR.

    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/peteh1/website/index.html
     
    Petel, Jan 21, 2004
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  9. What, a 350 four-stroke single?

    Like hell.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2004
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  10. You can't balance the carbs on a single, you terminal twonk.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2004
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  11. Dynamic

    Mark Olson Guest

    Didn't Yamaha put twin carbs on the XT600 and SRX600 singles, and
    Honda used the same idea on the 84-84 XR350R single?

    To be fair, I don't think you balance them so much as need to adjust
    them somehow, since they aren't identical.
     
    Mark Olson, Jan 21, 2004
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  12. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    Just looked on the clock, and 11 thousand is into the red zone, so you may
    be right.
     
    Dynamic, Jan 21, 2004
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  13. Dynamic

    JB Guest

    Probably told him this in the hope that he'd actually try it!
    "sorry mate, but you blew it up by thrashing it. No refund for you meboy"
    Or maybe the term "pick up" is another word for disintegrate?
    JB
     
    JB, Jan 21, 2004
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  14. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    "The bike starts to pick up its pace from about 7000rpm onwards to the red
    line (11,000rpm), but if you want to reach maximum velocity it's necessary
    to change gear as late as possible to carry as many revs through to the next
    gear."

    From http://www.xenaverse.free-online.co.uk/goose/index1.htm

    In the opinions section for the engine.
     
    Dynamic, Jan 21, 2004
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  15. That's right. The CV car opens first, at low throttle openings, and then
    the slide at full chat. Or is it the other way about?

    But "balancing" carbs means synchroising carbs, one per cylinder, so
    they open together. Not the same thing at all. In fact, quite the
    opposite.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2004
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  16. Where he comes from, it's a term for a highly desirable sexy vehicle.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Jan 21, 2004
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  17. The Older Gentleman wrote
    Highly sexy eh? I hadn't really thought of Snowflake like that but now
    you mention it....
     
    steve auvache, Jan 21, 2004
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  18. Dynamic

    Dynamic Guest

    Suzuki SG350 1992 moecel (Blue, if that makes a difference :)
    Mikuni, couldn't see anything other than "Mikuni" and "made in Japan" on the
    outside, but it has the plastic top with the rubber bit in... That I can't
    remember the name of right now.
    CV I think.
    Don't know since the number has come off, but from what the previous owner
    said, it's the origional.
    2 an 3/4
    The origional suzuki one, which has some wierd expansion cahmber on it for
    some reason.

    Lets hope, I can probably find out some of the stuff in more detail like
    taking the carb out to find a model number, and the plug type etc.

    TIA
     
    Dynamic, Jan 22, 2004
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