Help explain MotoGP/Moto GP 250?

Good thing you weren't with me the time I was riding my bicycle through
downtown Miami and saw a guy throw trash out his window at a stoplight. I
picked it up, stuffed it back in his window and told him to use a trash can.

 

Because I'm right. Your comment above was total shite.

To be more accurate, you should have said "No matter where you are in
Europe the riders are still from Europe, saying you're in the UK and
the riders are from Spain is kind of like being in California and
watching
racers from Mexico."

But you'd still be wrong. Europe is a region. Spain and UK are
*separate* *individual* countries in that region. California and Texas
are states in a country.

HTH.

 

Yes. It. Is.

You clearly have no idea about Yrp, so I'd suggest that you either
open your mind to what people who live here[1] are saying or just
STFU. Preferably the latter.

So? The US is still tiny compared with, say, China and Russia. Or
India, even.

'Relative' to what? They're all still subordinate to the Federal
authorities.

So not very different at all, then.

130 years ago, wasn't it? Compare with how recently, and how many
times, the European countries have knocked shit out of each other.

No 'sort of' about it. There are more dialectical differences between
any two Swiss towns more than twenty miles apart than there are in the
whole of US English.

Bwaahaahaahaa! You believe this, do you? Try actually living here.

Nope, not at all.
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You've lost it really, haven't you? Try coming over here and telling
any Latin speaker that they're like the Anglo Saxons; try telling the
Dutch that they're really Germans; tell the Poles that their culture is
the same as the Italians; tell the English that French is *the*
language to speak; tell the Belgians that it should be Spain that
dictates their politics.

There is no common defence infrastructure as yet. NATO is the closest
that we have at this time. As for an economic infrastructure, this is
still in it's infancy and there are untold hurdles to overcome before
we have a common setup throughout Europe. Borders do still exist and
Europe is not a Federal state as yet (and is unlikely to be for a very
long time). It's the passage over those borders that has disappeared
(even then, not totally - search for the Schengen Treaty).

You couldn't be further from the truth. It isn't any bloody wonder that
so many Merkin businesses have so many problems in understanding
European culture. My last company was terrible for this, with the same
sort of "narrow-mindedness" [1]. My present company seems to be better,
as we have a Merkin VP living and working in the UK with a good
understanding of Europe. Even then, IME, there are *always* battles
between Merkin company HQ's and European offices as there are
invariably people that do not understand how the world works outside
the US borders.


[1] The phrase was, "Let's sell our servers with *only* English
versions of Windows."

 

Mark N wrote:
.. It's not difficult to

At about, say, the time Spanish becomes compulsory in 48 states?

 

Tell that to the British (pound), Swiss (franc), Bulgarians (lev),
Cypriots (pound), Czechs (koruna), Danes (krone), Estonians (kroon),
Croatians (kuna), Hungarians (forint), Icelanders (krona), Lithuanians (litas),
Latvians (lats), Maltese (lira), Norwegains (krone), Polish (zloty),
Romanians (new leu), Swedes (krona), Slovenians (tolar), Slovaks (koruna),
and the Turks (new lira)!

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Does it ever, in the least little way, occur to you that some people
actually speak about other cultures from a position of experience,
having worked in, and with people from, said cultures for many years?
It's quite clear that you do not fall into this group, but not
everyone in the world talks about furrners from such a position of
abject ignorance.

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Oh, and what leads you to that conclusion? Which is pure bollox, I may
add as you know bugger all about me.

I agree with your viewpoint that things have changed.

However:

- Borders are only open wrt to free passage (and as I said, not all of
them, with the UK and Ireland being notable exceptions).

- The Euro is sole currency in Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg, France,
Greece, Finland, Germany, Ireland, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal and
Spain. There are a number of countries not subscribed to this for
economic reasons. The common monetary policy only applies to these
countries and even then it's not a pure common policy. There are
controls and rules set out by the EU but each country manages their own
finances to a large degree. For complete harmonisation, this will take
years to sort out, if ever.

- Although English is the business language of the world, it's not to
be taken for granted.

I think you seem to underestimate the national pride of most European
countries. The British have been British for the last umpteen
centuries; the French, French; the Italians, Italian and so on.

But your original argument :

"No matter where you are in Europe the riders are still from Europe,
saying you're in the UK and the riders are from Spain is kind of like
being in California and watching racers from Texas."

....is wrong. In 60 years this will still be wrong.

The *only* time you could think along these lines is golf with the
Ryder cup.

 

Well then. I can use Euros in Luqa airport. And at the change bureaus
in Malta. Oh, I can use them in the shops, if I really fancy getting
ripped off with a horrendous currency rate.

I have *never* been able to use Euros outside of Istanbul Airport in my
many trips to Turkey. But I suppose you could, if you want to get
ripped off again with shite currency rates. I'd even go further to say
that it would be much harder now to use Euros, since they adopted the
New Turkish Lira. And I'm not talking about tourist traps.

Even then, the common factor is "exchange rate". This signifies that
there is a difference between the currencies. Therefore, there are no
common economic policies. QED.

 

Just like trying to use dollars, then? Does that mean they're really
part of the US?

Quite.

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One look at the current MotoGP grid would seem to say different. Out of
interest, who was the last 500cc / MotoGP champion to have come to the
class from superbikes?

 

The same rules apply as to my other post.

Mind you, in Saudi, there are cash machines where you can get USD out
as well as Riyals. Why for the life of me, I don't know, as the same
rules apply as to my other post.

 

Cab said...

And try telling a Maltese that he should be called Italian.

 

Try letting my cousin go out with an Italian. Over my Uncle's dead
body. Bit protective, he is.

 

You did, I hope, note how many of the countries I mentioned are
original members of the EU, recently joined the EU, or are on the fast-track
to membership of the EU. My only real experiences are in the UK and
Switzerland: the euro is not widely accepted in the UK, although it is
gradually creeping into London (some upmarket shops, some telephones in
the airport...); it may be more accepted in the border regions of CH, but
I've never tried (some ATMs will give euros, petrol stations right near
the border give prices in both currencies -- the cross border bus seems
to only take euros).

Anyhow it's not the difficulty -- when I went to Kazan' I was
recommended to take DEM or USD, in the event the DEM were hard to shift! --
it's the fact, as Cab said, that there _is_ an exchange rate that gives the
lie to your original statement.

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] But, no-one's mentioned the 80 cc class. Alex Barros' first race
]was in the 80 cc race at Jarama in 1986.

Oh, bugger!

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Mark N () gurgled happily, sounding much
like they were saying :

<snip list of non-EuroZone)

I seem to recall Euros going down very nicely indeed in Mauritania. I guess
that means that Mauri's part of the EU federal superstate, then?

Mexican shopkeepers still refusing Dollars on principle, are they?

 

I didn't realise Hayden was either Spanish or Italian On a factory
Honda he hwon one race (I think?) on his home track where none of the
other top riders had experience. Not a good showing really for the best
of the current crop of former superbikers. Edwards may be a good 'ol boy
but head to head with Rossi was always going to see him coming off
second best.

 

Any shop in a country south of the US border will happily take dollars over
their relatively less stable currency. In most places it is a status symbol
for locals to try to impress people by pulling out a folded up $100 note
that they keep as an emergency fund.

 

I would have thought that, for a spic, a wop was a step up in the
world?[/QUOTE]

An Italian? No way! Any person not Maltese, is a step in the wrong
direction. Pure Maltese people are the new Ayrans! Ah... bugger...

Oh:

"All opinions expressed herein and on third party websites are not
necessarily the opinion of Cab (Wibble Inc). Any resemblance to any
person(s), living or dead, or place(s) is purely coincidental."

Just to show I've got nothing against Italians. I even have an Italian
surname, that's how much I love the eyeties. <G>