Help explain MotoGP/Moto GP 250?

Nuke the place from orbit, it's the only sure way.

 

Thanks much for that link. I see it is the last race in at my home track,
MMP (new track this year, a very nice track). I think that is the weekend
the vingtage racers are coming out and it is the Final of the local race
series.

Thank you, now I have one more reason to attend that event. Honest to god,
this is the first I have heard about small displacement road racing... This
is either a marketing problem, or more likely the media could give a
shit....

Honest, I try to pay attention... Somebody has to keep us Merkins in line.


Bryan

 

Champ said...

See Muddy's reply. US legislation has pretty much completely banned the
sale of 2-stroke engined machinery nationwide.

Probably due to the fact that no-one can buy the bikes required because
the govt won't allow them to.

 

I'm not sure if they're illegal per se (for on-highway usage, at
least--ISTR that two strokes are pretty common for off-road use) but I
don't know of any manufacturer that's managed to sneak one past
California emissions requirements since the old RZ350. For a while
you'd see a Gamma or such now & then, but the DMV computers are much
more sophisticated now and it's hard to sneak an invalid VIN past them.

Good, 'cause it cleans up the air a bit. Not so good 'cause I'll
probably never get to ride a two stroke unless I buy a TZ250 for a
track bike.

It's only money, eh?

Bob
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

 

Well they do call it the Los Angeles Basin for a reason. The county is
more or less surounded by mountains on all sides, keeping in the smog.
That said, the air nowadays is far, far cleaner than it was in, say,
the early 1970s.

Bob
Rancho Cucamonga, CA

 

Very true regarding four strokes. IIRC, the California resident
desiring to bring a non-CA bike in cannot be the original owner (i.e.,
you can't go to Oklahoma, buy a new bike without the CA emissions
package and the bring it to CA). Also, the vehicle must have (7000?
7500?) miles on it before it can be brought into California if you buy
it used.

I'm not convinced that the CA emissions package makes all that much of
a difference anymore. Back in the 80s it essentially meant that the
bike had a charcoal cannister to catch evaporative emissions from the
gas tank. Certainly it's easy enough nowadays to rejet your carbs or
reprogram the EFI with a Dynojet kit as appropriate.

Bob
Rancho Cucamonga, CA USA

 

Google "pocket bikes"

 

Could have been any one of several Suzuki, several Kawasakis, or even a
Honda.

 

Bummers said...

NS400R. http://www.ns400r.co.uk/

We post under the previous message around here. It'd be helpful if you
could do the same please.

 

A proper day of racing.

I thought it might be a good idea to look at who'd posted before
pointing out that 50 and 350cc classes used to be included. I didn't
need to scroll down very far.

 

Probably a Kawasaki ... or possibly a Suzuki GT ... did you notice a
radiator?[/QUOTE]

I don't remember a radiator, but it was white. The rider said he
restored it to original.

 

Yep, I asked a mate that knows this stuff.

"It's changing, and getting more restrictive. IIRC, racing is
ok, off-road is subject to seasonal restriction. On-road is possible
with sufficiently old bikes."

 

Almost certainly a Kawasaki, then.

 

Yeah, I raced aginst Willing the Youngest on a 3-cylinder Honda
in the 250 Production Race at Bathurst in '83. I was tempted to protest
it on the grounds that international rules said 250s could only be max
2 cylinders and 6 gears, but since I came 2nd-last in the race the point
seemed a bit moot.

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I heard it was simply because there isn't enough room in the pits at
Laguna for all three classes along with the AMA teams.

--
Krusty.

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Off-road classifieds

'02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250

 

Someone should tell ATK[1] to stop making the Intimidator then!

[1] http://www.atkusa.com/ProductsIntimidator.aspx

--
Krusty.

http://www.muddystuff.co.uk
http://www.muddystuff.us
Off-road classifieds

'02 MV Senna '03 Tiger (FOYRNB) '96 Tiger '79 Fantic 250

 

I think that the main problem is that they get limited slots at Laguna
Seca and the merkins want to see WSB, MGP & AMA racing so they have to
compromise.

 

That's what was reported on spanish telly an'all.

--

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Oy! You got that coveted UKRMMA no, y'know.

 

On Sun, 07 May 2006 18:25:55 GMT, Mark N

snip>

Nobody can want to lose Laguna Seca from either the WSB series or the
MGP now they're back there but it's a fact of life that until this
year the closest racing has been in the smaller capacity races. Those
smaller classes also act as feeders for the main event and bring in a
lot of sponsorship which is needed to keep the whole thing going.

How long do you think we'd have any GP type racing if everyone went
along your route? The UK could tell Dorna to drop the smaller stuff so
they could run a BSB event at the same time and any European country
could start demanding that WSB events were run at the same weekend as
the GP with one race on the Saturday and one race on the Sunday.

I might be wrong but gut feeling tells me that if there were US riders
in the classes not being run over there then the situation would
change rapidly.