HELMETS, unkewl, or COOL!

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by ... Kilroy, Aug 27, 2004.

  1. say, pass me that rattlesnake, wouldja? <g>
     
    another viewer, Aug 29, 2004
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  2. ... Kilroy

    del Guest

    God says a mans days are numbered but he also said not to do anything to
    shorten them, he also gave man enough sence not to stand in the middle of a
    freeway
     
    del, Aug 29, 2004
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    Wakko Guest


    No...just him.
     
    Wakko, Aug 29, 2004
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  4. ... Kilroy

    Wakko Guest


    You don't have a clue what I am saying. Keep scrambling while searching for
    one.

    What I said was, I see someone that says the things you say as being lacking
    in faith.
    Faith is something you just don't seem to comprehend.
     
    Wakko, Aug 29, 2004
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    Wakko Guest


    Tell that to those monks that would launch themselves into the ocean,
    without equipment, with the express hope of landing on some heathen shore to
    spread the word. That takes faith.
    Poor decision they might have made, though.
     
    Wakko, Aug 29, 2004
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    fullstate Guest

    First off, I had to LMAO at the 90+ posts that got posted in the last
    day or so, and 44 of them were on this thread alone! Obviously a hot
    topic.

    Secondly, while I don't care to get into religious discussions let's
    just say I agree with you on when it's my time it's my time, OK? Now
    let's say it ISN'T my time and I go down and have a serious injury to
    my head, face, etc. because I wasn't wearing a helmet. I don't want
    to live like that until it IS my time.


    Reminds me of a joke:

    A small town starts to flood from all the rain so the guy climbs up on
    his roof with the rising flood waters.

    After a while a man in a boat comes by and offers to rescue the man
    from the roof. The man declines saying "My Lord will save me."

    The waters continue to rise and so the man climbs to the top of the
    chimney. A helicopter flies overhead and offers to rescue the man and
    again he refuses saying "My Lord will save me."

    The waters continue to rise and the man has no place to go. He
    eventually succumbs and drowns in the water.

    He goes to heaven and confronts God. He asks "God, why did you not
    save me?" God replies "You dumbass I sent you a boat and a
    helicopter."

    Brother Wakko?


    --Fullstate

    Me and Mah 'Priller!
     
    fullstate, Aug 29, 2004
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    fullstate Guest

    LMAO - you have to think about that just for a second or two.


    --Fullstate

    Me and Mah 'Priller!
     
    fullstate, Aug 29, 2004
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    fullstate Guest

    Yes! Me.... BTW - I am not against wearing a helmet. I am against a
    law requiring you to wear one.

    I am also against a law requiring you to wear a seat belt.

    However, I wear both because I want to.


    --Fullstate

    Me and Mah 'Priller!
     
    fullstate, Aug 29, 2004
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    Bill Walker Guest

    Some find it necessary to be "told" what to do, and others prefer to make
    their own decision.. The "issues" are there, feel free to advocate for them,
    any way you are directed..
     
    Bill Walker, Aug 29, 2004
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    Bill Walker Guest

    Hmmmm... I suppose .. if you wanna put a ten gallon gas tank on a Valkyrie,
    you just might get silly enough to try to install a "tailgate" on a
    motorcycle..
     
    Bill Walker, Aug 29, 2004
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  11. Fact: There is no discernible difference in motorcycle accident or
    fatality rates between states with mandatory helmet laws and those
    which allow for freedom of choice. In fact, states which support
    voluntary use routinely achieve accident and fatality rates equal to
    or better than states with mandatory helmet laws for all riders.
    (American Motorcycle Association, 1995)
    Relative to the number of registered motorcycles, states with
    mandatory helmet laws had 12.5% more accidents and 2.3% more
    fatalities than free choice states for the 14 year period 1977-90.
    (Accident and Fatality Statistics, analyzed by A.R. Mackenzie, M.D.)

    "It is concluded that: 1) motorcycle helmets have no significant
    effect on probability of fatality; and 2) past a critical impact
    speed, helmets increase the severity of neck injuries." (Dr. Jonathan
    Goldstein, Bowdoin College)

    You're welcome. :)

    Better 'gear up' in your cage too:

    Automobile accidents account for 45.5% of all head injured patients
    and are responsible for 37.1% of all fatalities involving head injury.
    (The Journal of Trauma, 1989)
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    Gary L. Burnore, Aug 30, 2004
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  12. Yep. The law has been changed for the better in NC:


    GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF NORTH CAROLINA
    SESSION 2003
    H 1
    HOUSE BILL 1517




    Short Title: Amend Motorcycle Helmet Law. (Public)
    Sponsors: Representatives Sauls, K. Williams (Primary
    Sponsors); Culp, Goodwin, Hilton, McHenry, Moore, and Pate.
    Referred to: Rules, Calendar, and Operations of the
    House.
    May 19, 2004

    A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
    AN ACT TO MODIFY THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE USE OF HELMETS BY
    OPERATORS AND PASSENGERS ON MOTORCYCLES AND TO ADJUST THE FEE
    ON PRIVATE MOTORCYCLE REGISTRATIONS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE
    ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE MOTORCYCLE SAFETY PROGRAM, AS
    RECOMMENDED BY THE HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON MOTORCYCLE
    HELMET LAWS.
    The General Assembly of North Carolina enacts:
    SECTION 1. G.S. 20-140.4 reads as rewritten:
    "¤ 20-140.4. Special provisions for motorcycles and mopeds.
    (a) No person shall operate a
    motorcycle or moped upon a highway or public vehicular
    area:
    (1) When the number of
    persons upon such motorcycle or moped, including
    the operator, shall exceed the number of persons
    which it was designed to carry.
    (2) Unless the operator and
    all passengers thereon wear safety helmets of a
    type approved by the Commissioner of Motor
    Vehicles.
    (b) Violation of any provision of
    this section shall not be considered negligence per se or
    contributory negligence per se in any civil action.
    (c) Any person convicted of
    violating this section shall have committed an infraction and
    shall be fined according to G.S. 20-135.2A(e) and (f).
    (a) No person shall operate a motorcycle or moped
    upon a highway or public vehicular area when the number of
    persons on the motorcycle or moped, including the operator,
    exceeds the number of persons that it was designed to carry.
    (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d)
    of this section, a person may not operate or ride upon a
    motorcycle or moped unless the person is properly wearing a
    safety helmet of a type approved by the Commissioner of Motor
    Vehicles.
    (c) Notwithstanding subsection (b) of this
    section, a person over 21 years of age may operate a motorcycle
    without wearing a safety helmet if the operator held a
    motorcycle license or a motorcycle endorsement prior to October
    1, 2003, or if the following conditions are met:
    (1) The operator has successfully
    completed the course of instruction offered by the
    Motorcycle Safety Instruction Program authorized in
    G.S. 115D-72, or its equivalent as determined by
    the Commissioner, and the operator has had a
    motorcycle license or a motorcycle endorsement for
    more than 12 months.
    (2) The operator is covered by an
    insurance policy providing for at least ten
    thousand dollars ($10,000) in medical benefits for
    injuries incurred as a result of a crash while
    operating or riding on a motorcycle.
    (d) Notwithstanding subsection (b) of this
    section, a person over 21 years of age may ride upon a
    motorcycle without wearing a safety helmet if the operator is
    allowed to operate a motorcycle without a helmet pursuant to
    subsection (c) of this section, and the person is covered by an
    insurance policy providing for at least ten thousand dollars
    ($10,000) in medical benefits for injuries incurred as a result
    of a crash while riding on a motorcycle.
    (e) Violation of any provision of this section
    shall not be considered negligence per se or contributory
    negligence per se in any civil action.
    (f) Any person convicted of violating this section
    shall have committed an infraction and shall be fined according
    to G.S. 20-135.2A(e) and (f). "
    SECTION 2. G.S. 20-87(6) is repealed.
    SECTION 3. G.S. 20-87 is amended by adding a new
    subdivision to read:
    "¤ 20-87. Passenger vehicle registration fees.
    These shall be paid to the Division annually, as of the
    first day of January, for the registration and licensing of
    passenger vehicles, fees according to the following
    classifications and schedules:
    ...
    (13) Private Motorcycles. - The fee on
    private passenger motorcycles shall be fourteen
    dollars ($14.00). When a motorcycle is equipped
    with an additional form of device designed to
    transport persons or property, the fee shall be
    twenty-one dollars ($21.00). Five dollars ($5.00)
    of the fees collected pursuant to this subdivision
    shall be used, in addition to any other funds
    appropriated for this purpose, to fund the
    Motorcycle Safety Instruction Program established
    pursuant to G.S. 115D-72."
    SECTION 4. This act becomes effective October 1,
    2004, and applies to violations occurring on or after that date.

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    Gary L. Burnore, Aug 30, 2004
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  13. Whit what?
    Completely idiotic statement. You want to be the one to make them
    instead of the government, eh?

    Sticking your nose in their business should lose you some friends.

    That's why more states are repealing the law, some in 2004, right?


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    Gary L. Burnore, Aug 30, 2004
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  14. _I_ choose to not wear a helmet because it FEELS better.





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    Gary L. Burnore, Aug 30, 2004
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  15. No, he MEANT brothers. :)

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    Gary L. Burnore, Aug 30, 2004
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  16. No, he's someone who's deciding for himself instead of letting someone
    else do it for him. Fucking idiots are those who blindly follow.
    That'd be you.

    That's the logical thing you've said.


    Fact: Helmet use is not associated with overall injury severity,
    discharge status, or insurance status. (University of North Carolina
    Highway Safety Research Center, June, 1992)

    Fact: Injured motorcycle operators admitted to trauma centers had
    lower injury severity scores compared to other road trauma victims.
    They accrued lower hospital charges. They were less likely to rely on
    Medicaid and Medicare, and they had about the same level of commercial
    or private insurance as other road trauma victims. (University of
    North Carolina Highway Safety Research Center, June, 1992)

    Fact: The average inpatient charge for a helmeted motorcyclist
    receiving a brain injury was equal to that of an unhelmeted
    motorcyclist receiving a brain injury. (NHTSA CODES Study, 1995)

    Fact: The average inpatient charge for a helmeted motorcyclist not
    receiving a brain injury was approximately $1,000 more than that of an
    unhelmeted motorcyclist not receiving a brain injury. (NHTSA CODES
    Study, 1995)

    Fact: Helmet use has no impact on the cost of injury after it has
    occurred. (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, CODES
    Study, 1995)

    Fact: Motorcyclists are no more dependent upon public sources for
    medical costs than motor vehicle operators. (NHTSA, CODES Study, 1995)



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    Gary L. Burnore, Aug 30, 2004
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    Mike Alvey Guest

    All of which were perfectly right on. It leads me to ask a few things

    Gary:
    1. Are you familiar with the Sons Of Liberty Riders? The several quotes
    and statistics you responded with are available on the Sons' web site.
    And that's fine, I'm glad they are being used.

    2. Do you happen to know a biker rights activists out there called Fast
    Fred? Actually he's from SC, but is pretty active in both Carolinas.

    3. How's the "Tree of Shame" doing? :^)


    Mike Alvey
    Texas Motorcycle Rights Asociation
    Sons of Liberty Riders
    ABATE-Texas
    Motorcycle Riders Foundation
     
    Mike Alvey, Aug 30, 2004
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    Mike Alvey Guest

    yep, I do. The rubbish I don't believe is put out by NHTSA. They are a
    government arm with a forgone conclusion. They've been using our tax
    dollars and lobbying our various statehouses to get us under control.

    Mike Alvey
     
    Mike Alvey, Aug 30, 2004
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    fullstate Guest

    This is why I was adamant about the "little" bill that is on the back
    burner to require businesses to do business with bikers, even if they
    don't want to.


    --Fullstate

    Me and Mah 'Priller!
     
    fullstate, Aug 30, 2004
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    fullstate Guest

    Once again, let's be reminded about how statistics can be cited to
    give an impression favorable to that of the presenter.

    What about the difference in fatality rates between those with helmets
    and those without, per capita? Let's get away from the general
    "rising rate of death" on a whole state.

    And what about non-deaths that resulted in serious trauma to the
    skull, face, and brain vs. those with helmets on?

    I'll give you a fact you can rely on -
    They REQUIRE racers in sanctioned events to wear helmets and
    protective gear and the majority of those riders get up and walk away
    from what would otherwise be potentially fatal accidents.

    I'm not sure that says anything about the benefits or negative
    connotations about wearing a helmet.
    That's false logic. ;-) That's like saying "dogs have fur, cats have
    fur, therefore cats and dogs are the same."

    I think it's agreeable that a direct impact with a certain force will
    kill you regardless of wearing a helmet or not.....but for the sake of
    scientific experiment, let me whack you over the head with a dead blow
    hammer with and without a helmet on and see how you fair.

    and #2 is completely false.... LOL look at the riders that compete
    in motorcycle racing that crash out at speeds well over 100mph and
    don't have the kind of soft tissue damage you are talking about.

    even if in some cases it increases soft tissue injury to the neck, let
    me think about this for a bit......crushed skull vs. sore neck. what
    would you rather have?

    Again, I don't care if you wear one or not but I am not going to sit
    here while someone argues that helmets are ineffective and even a
    danger to those riding with them. That's just moronic.

    --Fullstate

    Me and Mah 'Priller!
     
    fullstate, Aug 30, 2004
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