[QUOTE] The best way to learn etiquette around here is just to break it .. or possibly have an opinion on something like what cruise control should be called .. [/QUOTE] Or just an opinion... any opinion... seems to work for most. If you offer Johno beers he'll eventually give you opinions if you don't have any of your own, with luck they might even be usable (I'd ignore the ones about south australian beer). G-S