Hayden - Rossi

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by matteo v argento, Oct 18, 2006.

  1. matteo v argento

    lolsson Guest

    It has been a lonely battle for Kallio this season. He has had to race
    two Aprilia teams by himself. The other KTM riders have usually been
    hiding in the slower groups. I'd say Kallio is as good as Bautista when
    it comes to riding skill (2nd time for Kallio to finish 2nd in the 125cc
    championship), but Bautista has had a really consistent and impressive
    bike setup in all GPs so far.

    Last year Kallio had a better chance to win the championship, but he
    blew the easy points a few times by trying out the Rossiesque last lap
    moves. This year he has succeeded in performing a few of them, but like
    last year, the few DNFs and Bautista's marginal speed advantage gave
    away the championship hopes.

    Bautista showed out the new 125cc Aprilia bike in Estoril. The rest of
    the grid couldn't challenge him at all, because he had ran away on a 15
    second lead by the finish line. I don't think that KTM's 125cc bikes are
    going to able to challenge Aprilia's dominance next year at all. Given
    that, it's good for Kallio to move on to 250cc, because Aoyama has
    proven that KTM is competitive there.

    The only way Kallio can ever enter the MotoGP grid is to win the 250cc
    championship. I'm hoping for him to do that.
     
    lolsson, Oct 23, 2006
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  2. matteo v argento

    Paul B Guest

    I was about to ask where else could they race and you have just answered.
    The only possible problem with another USA and possibly Canadian round would
    be the exclusion of 125's and 250's, while missing 1 race in the season
    isn't that big a deal missing 3 would be.
    New Zealand is interested in hosting too but but I'm not sure if it's
    economically viable to get any track to a GP standard although I believe
    Mansfield is / has been considered.
    Another round in Australia could be a possibility although having to travel
    there twice in one season may prove too expensive.

    When selecting venues over a season how much consideration is given to the
    cost of travel, jet lag and all the other consequenses long distance travel
    brings? Perhaps that is one reason they select so many Euro tracks to
    minimise this.

    Paul
     
    Paul B, Oct 23, 2006
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  3. It hasn't been that long since there were both a Japanese GP and a Pacific
    GP (held in Japan) in the same year. There is a Far East trip in the Spring
    (China), then again in the Fall (Malaysia, Japan, Australia). A second round
    in Oz or one in NZ could be manageable.
     
    Carl Sundquist, Oct 24, 2006
    #23
  4. Tom,

    How much parity would it take for you to consider the championship to be
    reasonably fair?

    Also, has anyone heard Hayden (among others) to say that the current
    circumstances _aren't_ fair, or is all this just ranting from the sidelines
    (PI debacle notwithstanding)?

    About the only sport I can think of that has anything close to true world
    wide balance is soccer.
     
    Carl Sundquist, Oct 24, 2006
    #24
  5. We have a saying: When the green flag drops, the bullshit stops.

    There are a good many here who think that their opinions have a
    bearing on the outcome of the race in Valencia. I really don't
    see how that can be.
     
    Michael Sierchio, Oct 24, 2006
    #25
  6. What I see more likely is not that the opinions matter to the race,
    but more so that the outcome will have no effect on opinions.

    Just about everybody here has a fixed opinion that will not change
    no matter what the outcome is.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce Hartweg, Oct 24, 2006
    #26
  7. You still didn't really answer the question. Then again, there really isn't
    an absolute answer. But there isn't even parity here is the US. How often do
    we hear about so and so getting the 'good' tires? Has Eslick has landed a
    factory ride? You certainly (and rightfully so) asked the question often
    enough this year.
    You mean Kevin and Wayne saying that Honda was stoopid [sic] (wonder why
    they didn't get a quote from a Honda man like Spencer?)? I mean, yeah that's
    a part of it, but I thought we were talking about track familiarity,
    location/proximity, and certain nationalities being groomed for MGP via the
    125 and 250 GP series.
    No worries. But with the background and experience I have, I'm not convinced
    that the riders feel the physical circumstances of the MGP series are
    unfair. Like the saying goes, "If you can't run with the big dogs, stay on
    the porch."

    I respect everybody here for their knowledge, but don't lose sleep over
    these discussions, either.
     
    Carl Sundquist, Oct 24, 2006
    #27
  8. Ok. Good answers. Has there been anything in print saying that Hayden
    _couldn't_ go back to the evo machine during the season if he wanted to?
    Let's not rehash that again.
     
    Carl Sundquist, Oct 24, 2006
    #28
  9. matteo v argento

    Dirt Guest

    Bollocks = balls.
     
    Dirt, Oct 24, 2006
    #29
  10. matteo v argento

    lolsson Guest

    Yep, Kallio is moving up. I couldn't find anything about it in English,
    but it's acknowledged on his web site (in Finnish).

    Indeed, 125cc is fun to watch when there aren't large gaps between
    riders, it's a fiercy battle. Another major advantage is the lack of
    North American riders. You can make a pass without asking the teammate's
    permission beforehand. Just ask Kallio about Talmacsi's move in 2005,
    which ruined Kallio's last hopes of winning the title. ;-)
     
    lolsson, Oct 26, 2006
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