Greatest Rider of all Time

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by pablo, Oct 14, 2008.

  1. pablo

    pablo Guest

    http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/web/gen/20080929/encuesta_53550396245.html?id=53550396245

    As always, very slanted towards the current star on a popularity high
    due to his new title. If you'd asked a year ago, things woud have been
    more contested :)

    I am floored that Hailwood -who won the Motociclismo version of this-
    isn't on the list. He still gets my vote, even though I think Roberts,
    Agostini, Lawson, Rainey, Doohan and Rossi also have strong cases. And
    Spencer and Schwantz should also be there for their brief outbursts of
    insane brilliance.

    Why Hailwood? Just coming out of long retirement and blowing up the TT
    on a Ducati is one of the craziest feats ever accomplished.
     
    pablo, Oct 14, 2008
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    RealMart Guest

    For me, Rossi cemented his place in history by a) switching from Honda
    to Yamaha and winning a championship and then b) making a comeback
    after not winning a championship for two years.

    I've got the greatest respect for Hailwood - the first time I went to
    the Isle of Man was a day trip to see the '78 F1 race - but for me
    Rossi has already accomplished more.
     
    RealMart, Oct 14, 2008
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    sturd Guest

    Mark N says:

    I agree and add that in spite of his reputation of being
    a lackluster, if prickly, interviewee, some of my best
    remembrances of Eddie Lawson are his terse responses
    to stupid questions:

    After not making it to the podium when Rainey was celebrating
    winning a championship he was asked
    "how does it feel to give up the number one plate"
    "It sucks"

    Asked by a fellow competitor how he is getting around
    corner X
    "Flick the bitch"

    Asked by a motomag editor what he learned about car
    control after a brief four wheel dirt tracker test:
    "Steer and stomp"


    Go fast. Take chances.
    Mike S.
     
    sturd, Oct 15, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    Me too.

    <snip>

    And wasn't it Lawson who said "Wait til you see God, then brake" ?
     
    Champ, Oct 15, 2008
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    Mark N Guest

    Schwantz - Eddie was agnostic on the brakes...
     
    Mark N, Oct 15, 2008
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  6. pablo

    Mark N Guest

    Not to get too technical, but Eddie did actually make it to that
    podium, he just left when it took Rainey a long time to get there.
    That was when he was getting very frustrated with what was happening
    with his machine on Team Roberts (he was Wayne's teammate). Eddie got
    a bit of a bad rap for doing that for some reason, but in fact the
    championship had been gone for months, after breaking his heel at the
    2nd round at Laguna and missing half the season. I don't think his
    leaving had anything to do with Wayne taking his championship, rather
    it was all about his disappointing race. At the previous round, where
    Schwantz crashed and Eddie followed Wayne home in 2nd he was very
    cheerful on the podium, celebrating with Wayne.
     
    Mark N, Oct 15, 2008
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    Champ Guest

    heh.
     
    Champ, Oct 15, 2008
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  8. pablo

    Champ Guest

    Of course, which is why it's such a bar-room standard :)
    I was a huge Lawson fan when I first started following GPs, and
    nothing has changed my view of him. Despite us disagreeing on much
    else, I'm with you completely on Eddie.
    The other thing about Ago is he's one of the few top riders who
    crossed the line from what's now thought of as the 'classic' period (4
    strokes round the Isle of Man, Imatra, etc) to the 'modern' period (2
    strokes round purpose built circuits). The fact that he could excel
    at both counts for something, in my view.
     
    Champ, Oct 15, 2008
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    Mark N Guest

    That's kind of true, he was the first guy to win a championship on a
    two stroke, of course. But his last year was, what, '77? If you look
    at the circuits they used that year and the ones that they used ten
    years earlier when he battled Hailwood, they both included the rings
    o' Salzburg and Hockenheim, Assen, Spa, Imola, Brno, Imatra. 1967 also
    had Dunrod, Monza, Mosport in addition to the IoM (which the
    elimination of Ago was critically involved, right?), and 1977 had Paul
    Ricard, Anderstorp, San Carlos and Silverstone. Imatra was actually in
    the series thru '81. What I would think of as really striding the
    divide would be more someone who camne up around 1970 and lasted until
    the American revolution and the factory takeover in the mid-80s. But
    there's really no one of real note who did that in the premier class,
    right?
     
    Mark N, Oct 15, 2008
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    Julian Bond Guest

    Barry Sheene?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sheene
    http://www.motogp.com/en/MotoGP+Legends/profiles/Barry+Sheene
    First Grand Prix 1970 125cc Spanish Grand Prix
    First 500cc 1974 Probably. 6th in the championship
    Last Grand Prix 1984 500cc San Marino Grand Prix

    I think he only raced at the IoM once on a private Suzuki 125. But I
    could be wrong about that.
     
    Julian Bond, Oct 15, 2008
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