GP Estoril- Dovicioso and Pedrosa

Discussion in 'Motorcycle Racing' started by pi, Sep 5, 2004.

  1. pi

    pi Guest

    Do you saw the 125cc race and what happend to Dovicioso :(
    He had a screw in his tire.
    But then in the 250cc it happned to Pedrosa too!!

    How could it be that there were screws in the track? O_O

    It was because Stoner problem?
    But why they didn't clean it after the race?
    Because the spanish tv showed Dani Pedrosa's tire and he have a screw
    in his tire all the race! since the first lap!
    and the screw was deflating his tire of course

    But he at least could finish the race, but Andrea lost many points...

    And then in MotoGP Melandri (Spiderman) crash because there were
    gravel in the track...I don't understand really: why they don't
    clean?!
     
    pi, Sep 5, 2004
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    Julian Bond Guest

    It certainly looked like Melandri crashed because he ran off the course
    while braking. his front tyre was on the white line, the rear tyre was
    in the dirt on the other side.
     
    Julian Bond, Sep 5, 2004
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    tim Guest

    I didn't think he ran off the track. To me it looked like there was dirt of
    some sort actually on the bit of the white line he hit, which is why he lost
    it. The riders were regularly hitting the white lines around the track as I
    couldn't undrestand why Melandri lost it, but watching it again highlighted
    the dirt on the line that he hit.
    tim
     
    tim, Sep 5, 2004
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    pablo Guest

    You can only hit lines aggressively so often until your luck runs out. Lines
    are not uspposed to provide for as much traction as the actual track, so you
    better have the bike nearly upright when you hit them, and even then I think
    the riders with cleaner lines tend to leave the whole riding the line stuff
    for more decisive episodes in a race. Melandri looked like someone at 110%
    without actually seemingly being able to match the leaders' pace -who looked
    more conservative while being faster- consistently. I think Melandri at this
    point in time simply is willing to take risk in order to get one spectacular
    result that puts an accent to his season, and doesn't mind falling off every
    time out if that's the price to pay to finish on the podium again. I am not
    sure where the desperation comes from - he seemed far more in control and a
    more capable rider earlier in the year, in fact he looked awesome to me in
    some races: clean, controlled, able to hang with guys that seemed to have to
    ride harder. It's difficult to explain exactly what it is, but sometimes you
    see thse guys and you sense they are "on" based on how they ride. Like
    yesterday, it was clear watching Gibernau behind Barros that Gibernau was
    not comfortable, he looked stiff on the bike, nothing seemed to flow easily.
    Whether it truly was the bike not working -as he predictably claimed after
    the race- or whether the pressure is messing with his head and ability
    remains to be seen. But at this stage it seems quite clear to me that next
    year, whoever wants to beat Rossi, needs to put Rossi on the defensive
    earlier in the season to put him in a chasing role he's not used to. The
    guys chasing Rossi while still supposedly in title contention these days
    seem to have displayed nerves. Gibernau and Biaggi seem to have caved under
    pressure - not necessarily because of the results, but because of how they
    have looked on the bike, at least to me: visibly less at ease at a fast
    pace, while Rossi simply seems more relaxed and lose even when obviously
    riding very hard. It's all about having been there before, I guess, and
    being seasoned when it comes to the final title chase is a key psychological
    (dis)advantage.

    ....pablo
     
    pablo, Sep 7, 2004
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  5. At least you recognize that there are in the same league, that was not the
    case 2 years ago!!! And you can add Checa in your list.
     
    pierre bonneau, Sep 7, 2004
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  6. 2 years ago some guys like Edwards or Bayliss were supposed to be clearly
    superior to most of the GP500 riders. "Not the same league" was one of your
    favorite sentence.
     
    pierre bonneau, Sep 7, 2004
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  7. So that was just my point. When you wrote this list at the end 02 no doubt
    for you that WSK riders were superior.
    Since they went to MotoGP we can see you were wrong and today Edwards is
    more or less closer to Checa than Rossi or Giberneau.
    Just for fun and your famous statistics I'm sure you can give us the list of
    all the RCV211 riders and their respective win.
    For sure Colin and Nicky will get some pressure for the last 5 rounds.
     
    pierre-bonneau, Sep 8, 2004
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    Julian Bond Guest

    I really like Colin. I like his attitude. I've loved watching him ride.
    And I like imagining the WSB/Anglo end of the paddock with Colin, Troy,
    Neil, Shakey and maybe a couple of others comparing latest toys and
    having a good old BBQ on Thursday and Sunday night.

    But I think he has a flaw and it's actually quite similar to Biaggi's
    flaw (and a few others) in that he finds it difficult to compete when
    the bike isn't exactly right. It's been said of Rossi that he wins the
    ones he should win and sometimes he wins the ones when he should have
    been 5th. Max and Colin are as fast as anyone when it's all perfect but
    when it's not they end up 9th or 11th instead of 4th.
     
    Julian Bond, Sep 9, 2004
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