Goodbye Sarf America

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by The Older Gentleman, May 23, 2009.

  1. I've managed to wangle another cheap Biz Class upgrade on the BA 747
    home from Sao Paulo (departing in an hour and a half) and this and
    previous postings come from the lounge, thank Christ.

    Because I've come up from Puerto Montt in Chile, the northern edge of
    Patagonia, and that is the furthest I have ever been from home in my
    life.

    PM to Santiago, Santiago to SP, SP to home. I'm not even going to think
    about what it is in terms of hours (got a few hours' kip in a hotel room
    oin Santiago last night).

    God, I love Chile. Really, really, really want to live there.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 23, 2009
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    Jam Guest

    I'd second that.

    Also, I'd like to hear your general thoughts on South America. I'm
    planning on doing some serious travel in the next year or two and
    that's on the 'hit list'.
     
    Jam, May 23, 2009
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    Krusty Guest

    AOL

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    '03 Tiger 955i
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    '79 Fantic Hiro 250 (for sale) '81 Corvette (for sale)
     
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    Andy Bonwick Guest

    I'd love to ride a bike down to Patagonia but I don't get enough
    holidays to even consider it.

    The only parts of the World I haven't visited are South America and
    Australasia and South America appeals a lot more out of the two. I
    know I can swing a trip to Chile any time I want because Adie wants to
    go there to watch football but I'd want to go a lot further south and
    do it on a bike.
     
    Andy Bonwick, May 23, 2009
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    wessie Guest

    Go to Pembrokeshire. Same people, same language, same sheep, same rain.
     
    wessie, May 23, 2009
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  6. OK: for a start, it's like a modern Mediterranean European state,
    especially in the region round Santiago. Similar climate round Santiago,
    and the people are just 'European' (and acknowledged as such by the rest
    of Latin America). Colombia for me is definitely 'foreign' and Ecuador
    is 'alien' (I like 'em both, mind) but Chile is like a cross between
    Italy and Spain.

    Oh, and the Paddies and the Porridge-Wogs both got there in force. The
    hero of Chile, whgo liberated them from Bolivia, rejoices in the name of
    Bernardo O'Higgins, which is just one of the world's great names.

    Next, everything works. As in, communications of all types are modern
    and fuss-free, the rules of the road are obeyed (probably more than in
    Italy...), and all the infrastructure functions.

    Next, it's safe. Politically stable (now), good finances, apparently
    very little corruption, and no drugs industry like Peru, Colombia or
    Bolivia to **** things up.

    Next, the country is beautiful. From the Atacama in the north to
    Patagonia in the south (and I was there on Friday), it's just
    eye-achingly lovely. A massive variation of landscapes, as you'd expect
    from a country as long as Chile. And you can ski there, too.

    Next, it's got some of the finest food on the planet. Fruit, vegetables,
    seafood, dairy and never forget the wine. Meat - yes, but you don't eat
    it that often.

    Next, there are two Triumph dealerships in Santiago, so I can get the
    Street Triple fettled.

    Next, it's cheap. Cheaper than Brazil, about on a par with Argetina,
    costlier than Peru, Colombia, Bolivia. We have been doing some very,
    very serious snooping and have worked out we can get a hectare or two of
    land, for The Doctor to play with her bees, chickens and plants[1], with
    a house built to our design[2], and four to six separate guest rooms in
    an outbuilding for about £180,000. This would be a few hundred miles
    south of Santiago, in the best part of the Lakes region where people
    holiday, and where the travellers pass through on their way to the ice
    floes and penguins at the bottom.

    If that sounds like a Plan in the making, it is. Deadly serious about
    this, and I know what I can do out there. Got to get the kids into
    university first, mind. So a couple of years.

    [1] Oh, and alpacas. She wants alpacas.
    [2] ie: a massive garage with some bedrooms adjoining and a wine cellar
    underneath.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 24, 2009
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    You know that that's probably because a lot of boxheads emigrated there
    in the past century, including some rather unsavoury types?

    Like these guys: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villa_Baviera

    The good news is that most of those unsavoury types have probably
    croaked by now :).
    Hmm. So your planning a to run a guest house down there? With the odd
    motorcycle trip?

    And for me it'd be almost jet lag free, too. Well, if I ever get this
    damn US visa of mine sorted.
    Looks like someone's been borrowing the plans for my ideal house.
     
    Timo Geusch, May 24, 2009
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    Colin Irvine Guest

    <seriously considers adding TOG to Xmas Card list>
     
    Colin Irvine, May 24, 2009
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  9. Oh, yeah, the Huns still have a presence. I know a Gundermann and a Kuhn
    out there. Quite a few blue-eyed Chileans, too. And I think they founded
    a brewery which is still there. (The Brits built clubs wherever they
    went: the Huns built breweries....)
    Ye Gods. They had a tank???

    <Reads further>

    Hidden in the ground? They *buried* a fucking main battle tank?? I mean,
    how did they get it there without anyone noticing?
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 24, 2009
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    Simon Wilson Guest

    Ok, but *apart* from that, what's it got?
    Heh, I don't think even I would count that as being important.
    Blimey. And I thought getting a place in Normandy was adventurous. Can
    you get pet passports for bees? Getting 'em chipped must be finicky.
     
    Simon Wilson, May 24, 2009
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    I can't see much wrong with building breweries :).
    They had *very* good connections to the Pinochet regime. IIRC some
    German investigative journalists dug up some rather nasty evidence that
    the military dropped off dissidents for a thorough working over. Of the
    sort that gets them buried in a conveniently located patch of jungle,
    that is.

    There was a lot more to them (and most of it bad stuff[1]) than the info
    in the English Wikipedia article. The article in the German Wikipedia
    mentions that Colonia served as a basis for the Chilean secret service
    during the Pinochet years and also served as a basis for a cooperation
    project run by several latin american secret service agencies. All of
    them right wing, of course.

    <continues reading article>

    Oh great, it gets better. They seem to have held Chilean citizens
    prisoner during the Pinochet years and used them as forced labour. Right
    down to using people for medical experiments. No wonder the English
    version mentions a certain Dr Mengele.

    That's where kiddie fiddling combined with religious nutterdom gets you,
    by the looks of it.

    [1] That's "bad" as in "appearances in The Hague" as opposed to
    "cool". Just to make this very clear.
     
    Timo Geusch, May 24, 2009
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    platypus Guest

    "Permanent Uncle". Heh.
     
    platypus, May 24, 2009
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  13. That would be tough. Chile doesn't have jungle ;-)
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 24, 2009
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    I know. But then again you can just lose them in the Atacama.
     
    Timo Geusch, May 24, 2009
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  15. Yup. Easily mislaid, dissidents.

    "Oops, another one has fallen out of the helicopter."

    Seriously, though, I'd never *heard* of that bunch in Chile. Very odd
    and unpleasant lot.
     
    The Older Gentleman, May 24, 2009
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    Timo Geusch Guest

    The only reason I know about them was because they were in the press in
    Germany an awful lot back in the 80s and 90s when some journalists were
    on the trail of the remaining Nazis in South America and stumbled over
    this lot with their nasty connections.
     
    Timo Geusch, May 24, 2009
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    Tosspot Guest

    Painted it red and hid it in a tree?
     
    Tosspot, May 24, 2009
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    Krusty, May 25, 2009
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