As did CBR1000Fs, iirc. -- | ___ Salad Dodger |/ \ _/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C |_\_____/_| ..64299../..15196.../..3157./.19406 (>|_|_|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 YTC#4 PM#5 |__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 WG* \ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4 \|^|/ ANORAK#17 '^' RBR-Visited:13 Pts: 250 Miles:1237
That's probably because its a top of the range bike. They want to keep customers like you happy plus they probably make more of a profit on GSXR-1000s. Doubt they'd be as helpful for a 600.
I've just dug out an old invoice - when the Wing was serviced, and had its first MOT 05/04/2000 - HGB were charging £35 + VAT -- | ___ Salad Dodger |/ \ _/_____\_ GL1500SEV/CBR1100XXX/KH500A8/TS250C |_\_____/_| ..64299../..15196.../..3157./.19406 (>|_|_|<) TPPFATUICG#7 DIAABTCOD#9 YTC#4 PM#5 |__|_|__| BOTAFOT #70 BOTAFOF #09 two#11 WG* \ |^| / IbW#0 & KotIbW# BotTOS#6 GP#4 \|^|/ ANORAK#17 '^' RBR-Visited:13 Pts: 250 Miles:1237
Quite the opposite I'd have thought. Suzuki will sell a lot more small bikes than they will GSXR1000s.
It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember Salad Dodger Not quite a slipper clutch, but the XS850, afair, had some sort of weird clangdongjoint in the gearbox which slipped if either the engine or gearbox seized while you were tootling along, thus reducing the possibility of turning into lorryburger. -- Dave GS 850 x2 / SE 6a SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3 FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10 Get rid of your SOC/SOB here http://www.sparesorrepair.co.uk/
It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the "Goodwill" tends to mean they know the word-of-mouth recommendations will spread by whatever means - down the pub, in the bikeclubs, on the net, wherever. In among those who get to hear about it will be a few future purchasers of gixxer thous or the equivalent at the time. A lesson the Ducati importer (as above somewhere) obviously failed to learn. -- Dave GS 850 x2 / SE 6a SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3 FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10 Get rid of your SOC/SOB here http://www.sparesorrepair.co.uk/
Otherwise known as a "back-torque limiter" which is probably a better description but just not as catchy. As Champ says, the slipper clutch has an internal mechanism which, at a certain load, "breaks" away the engagement of the clutch and lets it slip slightly, thus stopping the force of the engine from driving the wheel. There are many different designs, the most popular and probably best being the "ramp & bearing". This consists of two plates within the main clutch unit, both with ramps built in that lay against each other. In between sits a ball bearing (only about 6mm on mine) to aid in movement. As you change down through the box, the back-torque reaches the point at which it forces the two ramps apart and disengages the clutch. They're very common on racing twins, coming as standard on the homogolation specials from Ducati and Aprilia. They can cost from around 500 quid for a basic design through to as much as you want to pay for a "single central spring, 48 tooth basket, ramp and bearing with titanium post, lightweight action" job. STM and Bucci are probably the most common and highly regarded makes - also used by factory teams in SBK and probably MotoGP too. Most units just replace the standard clutch and will also lighten the clutch unit making pickup a bit quicker. You also get coloured anodized versions, but you need to make sure you use matching alu plates with the alu basket otherwise you get uneven wear between plates and basket. Obviously this is only an advantage if you've got a dry clutch and get a vented cover for the colour to show through ... if you can stand the noise! I got one fitted because I kept locking the rear when changing down going into slow corners - either on the road or on the track. While you can get used to the rear end fish-tailing about, I'm sure it looks a bit scary for other road users and it's probably not the fastest way round a track either. The slipper is noticeable as the lever feels like it's "pulsing" which I guess is just the slack being taken up on the ramp and bearings. Very weird when you first use it. I didn't realise the ZXR750 had them - or was that just the ZXR750K (aka ZXR750RR) ?
Such as your good self? fwiw, I think all the "advice" you've given in this thread (except for "go to the CAB" - which is fairly elementary) has been pretty far off the mark.
Last year Hawk Kawasaki used a Suter item, which they replaced for every race. At 6k a pop... No, they've all had it, right from the very first 1989 ZXR750H1
Rubbish. Top-of-the-range models are almost never major earners - Insurance costs etc. mean that they're a relatively small part of overall sales. Whereas they sell _shedloads_ of 600s.
Briefly, I was worrying about why you care what the hell the rear is doing if it's not carrying any of the bike's weight. I was imagining the following sequence: a) hoon towards corner b) brake c) rear carries no weight My immediate thought was "so?" But I had forgotten what comes next... d) whilst braking, throttle is almost closed, so rear wheel slows down (whilst not connected) e) brake released f) tipping into corner g) almost stationary rear starts sliding across fast moving tarmac, nothing to stop it sliding; h) low-side or high-side, depending. (e,f,g are simulatenous) And, looking again at it, this is an extreme case. I'd be surprised that with slipper clutch (now that I have a mental picture of how it works thanks to ant.e) would allow the rear to keep spinning mid-stoppie with a closed throttle. But you never rolling stoppie into a roundabout^W corner on a racetrack, so there *is* some torque on the rear on the track. Right. That's enough wibbling. Well, some (other) old codgers have mentioned some specific bikes...
[slipper clutches] Ah! A mental picture. Bargin. Oh, and I managed to get to the post office and pick up the parcel yesterday (distinct lack of circulating tuits) Scart splitter works well, can't see any shadows that are going to disturb me. Thanks again!
No - I'm not a solicitor. I'm an ex retail manager though - hence I know a little more than the average idiot. That's your choice, but the facts are there. Warranty is bollocks. SoGA isn't (if a little ambiguous sometimes) bollocks. If there is a known issue with clutch baskets failing, then it would be a open/closed case. If there is an unapproved modification, then that certainly makes things more difficult - and it was something I was unaware of until half way through the thread.
A quick google shows nothing. I suspect DNC's understanding of KNOWN ISSUE, its relationship to sale of goods and reasonable life expectancy of a motor vehicle is similar to his understanding of employment law.
IME in the field of labour relations this premise has been the mother of many unbelievable fudges and abortions. Unrelated I know but, when a negotiator says this is the final offer it is. Its not going to get any better or have any less strings if you reject it. Unless, of course, you're prepared to put your money where your industrial mouth is ... but I digress.
