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Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by Fr Jack, Sep 14, 2004.

  1. Fr Jack

    'Hog Guest

    Only on certain shite cars, like Fords. Volvo's on the other hand.... :eek:)
     
    'Hog, Sep 16, 2004
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  2. Fr Jack

    tallbloke Guest

    Aye, running at quite a lot higher compression than standard tho'. The
    head's been skimmed. Means that power is up to petrol levels tho :)
     
    tallbloke, Sep 16, 2004
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  3. Fr Jack

    tallbloke Guest

    Fortunately in the case of OVLOV's there are plenty of cylinder heads
    lying around at the scrappers.
     
    tallbloke, Sep 16, 2004
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  4. Fr Jack

    Muck Guest

    I didn't know about that, something to do with lack of additives?
     
    Muck, Sep 16, 2004
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  5. Fr Jack

    Muck Guest

    A case of, if it'll run on unleaded, it'll run on gas?
     
    Muck, Sep 16, 2004
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  6. Fr Jack

    ogden Guest

    Staganography, surely? Or are you planning to hire a typist and
    play at Crown Court?
     
    ogden, Sep 16, 2004
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  7. Fr Jack

    'Hog Guest

    A simple case of good engine bad engine
     
    'Hog, Sep 16, 2004
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  8. Fr Jack

    Muck Guest

    I thought Nigel was hinting of problems specific to running gas, rather
    than problems endemic with certain models and or makes.
     
    Muck, Sep 16, 2004
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  9. Fr Jack

    'Hog Guest

    No it only seems to a problem for some engine types running LPG
     
    'Hog, Sep 16, 2004
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  10. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Steganography, shirley? Unless you're intent on shooting a blue movie
    for a lot of does.

    --

    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 16, 2004
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  11. Fr Jack

    ogden Guest

    Let's split the difference and call it stqgqnogrqphy.
     
    ogden, Sep 16, 2004
    #51
  12. It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Franco-Spanish? Sounds good to me. We'll sell a mill... er.. one.

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    Dave

    GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
    SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
    FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10
     
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Sep 16, 2004
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  13. Fr Jack

    tallbloke Guest

    VOLVO offer lpg as a factory option. They're ecologically aware like that.
    And sufficiently confident of the quality of their engineering.

    SAAB have discovered that the Self Adjusting Turbo boost system they use on
    their road going production cars gives 10% more bhp using LPG without any
    modification.
     
    tallbloke, Sep 17, 2004
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  14. Fr Jack

    platypus Guest

    ISTR that LPG is naturally very high octane - this is probably why more bhp.
    Normally, LPG gives slightly less power and mpg.
     
    platypus, Sep 17, 2004
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  15. Fr Jack

    tallbloke Guest

    In an engine optimised for 95RON.

    It'll run a higher compression and more advanced igntion timing before
    it starts to pink.

    In a turbo, there is the flexibility to utilise the higher octane :)
     
    tallbloke, Sep 17, 2004
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  16. Fr Jack

    platypus Guest

    What I thought.
     
    platypus, Sep 17, 2004
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  17. There's more to it than that though - although LPG has an octane rating
    equivalent to around 104 (allowing high compression ratios) the flame
    front in LPG is slower than the flame front in petrol.

    Therefore you need to advance the timing at idle and low revs, but just
    advancing the distributor isn't the ideal way of doing it as at high
    revs with full advance, the timing will be too advanced and knck shit
    out of your piston. You really need a make a new timing curve - more
    advance at low revs, and advancing more quickly than on petrol, to a
    new maximum.

    A good install will either supply a new distributor (for old fashioned
    cars) or reprogram the ECU (usually leaving it switching back to the
    old curves when running on petrol).
     
    Vlad the Inhaler., Sep 17, 2004
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  18. Fr Jack

    tallbloke Guest

    I have considered the twin ecu route but decided it's not really
    necesary on a lower compression engine with a turbo and variable boost.

    My LPG powered OVLOV runs fine on either fuel without any fancy
    electronics (twin choke weber for petrol, simple vaporiser and non
    stepper motor setup for gas).

    I'd just like to get to a point with the V8 where it burns both
    efficiently but without getting too fancy with the control systems.

    SAAB have a system which varies the boost by measuring the ionisation in
    the cylinder and backing off the advance a it just as it reaches the
    point of pinking. The system is called APC and apparently it is fairly
    'standalone'... I haven't had the chance to look into it yet, but I
    think it consists of a fairly small pcb and a souped up anti knock
    sensor.
     
    tallbloke, Sep 17, 2004
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  19. Still badly argued, slightly incoherent "we want 1Gb storage for
    free" stylee rant. Realised it was the same people and gave up.
     
    William Grainger, Sep 17, 2004
    #59
  20. Fr Jack

    ogden Guest

    My brain knows how to spell it, but my fingers don't always listen.
     
    ogden, Sep 17, 2004
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