getting knocked out of your limits

Discussion in 'Bay Area Bikers' started by Timberwoof, Oct 27, 2007.

  1. Timberwoof

    Timberwoof Guest

    The result from the experiment of driving a police cruiser with lights
    and sirens does not apply to lanesplitting. And your conclusion here
    does not follow from the article you cite.
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 3, 2007
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    Deaf2Queers Guest

    What is it with you Fair Game, anway?

    You read a silly book where a Jew satirizes Christians because he just
    doesn't fit into mainstream American culture, so he undermines America
    by sowing seeds of
    doubt, and that means more to you than the practical solutions of
    Dianetics?
     
    Deaf2Queers, Nov 3, 2007
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  3. Timberwoof

    Timberwoof Guest

    You're free to cite the CVC where it says that.
    Yes, it does.

    http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/right.html
    California - slower - VC 21654(a) - "Notwithstanding the prima facie
    speed limits"

    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21654.htm
    "Slow-Moving Vehicles
    21654.  (a) Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits, any vehicle
    proceeding upon a highway at a speed less than the normal speed of
    traffic moving in the same direction at such time shall be driven in the
    right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to the right-hand
    edge or curb, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle
    proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an
    intersection or into a private road or driveway.
    (b) If a vehicle is being driven at a speed less than the normal speed
    of traffic moving in the same direction at such time, and is not being
    driven in the right-hand lane for traffic or as close as practicable to
    the right-hand edge or curb, it shall constitute prima facie evidence
    that the driver is operating the vehicle in violation of subdivision (a)
    of this section.
    (c) The Department of Transportation, with respect to state highways,
    and local authorities, with respect to highways under their
    jurisdiction, may place and maintain upon highways official signs
    directing slow-moving traffic to use the right-hand traffic lane except
    when overtaking and passing another vehicle or preparing for a left turn.
    Amended Ch. 545, Stats. 1974. Effective January 1, 1975."

    It doesn't say ""Slower Traffic Keep Right signs don't apply to Minivans
    that could go faster if they wanted to but are plodding along at speeds
    Jeb Bush thinks are cautious and safe." (Except in Florida)
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 3, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    Wow, I haven't heard that term in a LONG time. Been away from academia for
    a long time!
    Easier to grasp with a good explanation.
    You don't have warp drive on your bike? ;-)
     
    Ken Abrams, Nov 3, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    Nice try but you can't do that. The unit of measurement is miles per HOUR.
     
    Ken Abrams, Nov 3, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    I just realized that, by extension, this also proves that overall traffic
    flow is more efficient if everybody goes the same speed AND keeps a
    responsible interval.
    Alas, the overall through-put increases as the interval
    decreases..............as long as you discount the congestion caused by
    getting on and off (merging) and the "nervous Nellie" effect of being too
    close together.
     
    Ken Abrams, Nov 3, 2007
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    Timberwoof Guest

    Yep and yep. :) But the nervousness people get about being too close
    together can't be discounted: everyone has such a threshold and traffic
    engineers know about it and try to deal with it in their designs.

    Things could be improved if people were encouraged to cooperate in
    traffic by using the acceleration lanes to accelerate, by following the
    "Slower Traffic Keep Right" rule so that mergers don't have to
    accelerate so much, and by allowing people to merge into traffic rather
    than trying to prevent them‹or, like some assholes I've witnessed,
    blasting at 70MPH into the right lane just as I'm trying to merge so
    that they can then be first in line to the upcoming exit.

    In short, if we drove like Germans. }: ) (But even they are having
    problems: as traffic density and the mix of drivers from different
    traditions increase, there will invariably be reductions in efficiency.)
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 3, 2007
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    Timberwoof Guest

    Actually, I do: It's in the transmission. There's this shaft that warps
    to take up driveline and crankshaft rotational vibrations. ;-) :p
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 3, 2007
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    Outback Jon Guest

    There's that, and their tendency to roll all across Europe every so
    often... :)

    --
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    AMD Opteron 146 (@2.8) and 6.1 GHz of other AMD power...
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    Outback Jon, Nov 3, 2007
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    Timberwoof Guest

    I don't think frame of reference matters for this Newtonian calculation.
    We're not going fast enough for the Lorentz transformations to make a
    difference. ;-)
    But, but, but! Average speed is total distance traveled divided by the
    time it took.

    Okay, let's calculate it out.
    half a mile at 30 mph (.5 mile per minute) takes a minute
    half a mile at 90 mph (1.5 mile per minute) takes 1/3 minute or 20
    seconds.
    So the total time of travel was 1.33 minutes.
    1.0 miles in 1.33 minutes is .75 miles per minute or 45 miles an hour.
    Oh, I see what you're trying to do: calculate speed only while it was
    nonzero. But the problem is that speed is defined as distance over time
    (distance divided by time).

    Do you mean this...

    for a minute the speed of travel was .5 mile per minute;
    for 1/3 minute the speed of travel was 1.5 mile per minute.
    What was the speed of travel for the whole time?

    Well, you have to weight it for the amount of time spent at each speed:

    (.5 mile per minute * 1 minute + 1.5 mile per minute * 1/3 minute ) /
    (1 minute + 1/3 minute) =

    wait for it ...

    ..75 miles per minute !

    Of course, all I've done is rearrange the algebra to match the different
    semantics, and then applied the same old definition of average speed. If
    you can work this out in any other meaningful way, I'd love to see it.
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 3, 2007
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    barb Guest

    barb, Nov 3, 2007
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    barb Guest

    Obviously you didn't understand the story. Jews? Christians? It was a
    spoof that apparently whizzed right over your head. No surprise, since
    you seem to think Dianetics has "practical solutions."

    Ron is gone, but the con lives on...

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    tomorrow Guest

    Krusty is not only a homophobe, he is also a racist bigot. That's
    why he has to keep morphing his name. So many people have Krusty,
    Albrecht, et al, killfiled that the poor screaming maniac would be
    sure his diatribes were read only by himself if he didn't.
     
    tomorrow, Nov 3, 2007
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    Ken Abrams Guest

    Can I hear an Amen, Brothers?? AMEN!!

    And then maybe there wouldn't be as much need to lane split either! ;-)
     
    Ken Abrams, Nov 3, 2007
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    Deaf2Queers Guest

    The good folks at the Department of Motor Vehicles realized that
    normal
    people could not understand the wording of the vehicle code, so they
    explained VC21654 thusly:

    http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/hdbk/pgs19thru22.htm#speedlimits

    Reduced Speeds
    Heavy traffic or bad weather
    You must drive slower when there is heavy traffic or bad weather.
    However, if you block the normal and *reasonable* movement of traffic
    by driving too slowly, you may be given a ticket. If you choose to
    drive slower than other traffic, do not drive in the "No. 1" (fast)
    lane. (more information on lane choice ) Always move to the right when
    another driver is close behind you and wishes to drive faster.

    I emphasized *reasonable* for queer puppies.

    It's not reasonable for you to expect everybody else to get out of
    your way because you have a powerful vehicle or because you like to
    drive faster than the maximum speed limit.

    Of course, if you were *reasonable* we would not be having this long,
    drawn out discussion.

    Just think of the drivers ahead of you as other queers: they are there
    to stay. Get used to it.

    Does that work for you?

    The DMV even went so far as to define the "No. 1" lane as the "fast"
    lane.

    There is actually NO fast lane on any freeway in California. All lanes
    on a freeway have the same speed limit, the only exception being that
    trucks must drive at a reduced speed and stay in the truck lanes
    except to pass or continue on their planned route.

    As I previously stated, the #1 lane is the primary lane of travel, and
    it has always been expected that California drivers would get into the
    #1 lane and cruise for miles and miles at the legal speed limit.

    However, in *other states* or countries which have far less traffic,
    the #1 lane is regarded as a "passing lane", and drivers are not
    supposed to cruise in the passing lane.

    So, when foreign drivers come here, they flash their lights and toot
    their horns and get angry over nothing.

    Just think of the drivers behind you as other queers: they are there
    to stay too, get used to it.
     
    Deaf2Queers, Nov 3, 2007
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    barb Guest

    barb, Nov 4, 2007
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    Timberwoof Guest

    Well, that makes me glad I'm abnormal.

    I think it's funny that after you so berated me for suggesting that
    motorcyclists should look out for idiots, you now declare that most
    people can't understand the CVC.
    The handbook is not the law. When you ride your motorcycle (I mean the
    real one), do you follow every suggestion in the motorcycle handbook?
    And you explained that, no doubt. in order to demonstrate what an
    asshole you continue to be.
    Why do you persist with the delusion that 60 MPH is the speed limit in a
    zone where the posted speed limit is 65 MPH?
    You mean, if you thought I was reasonable. But nothing I can ever say or
    do will ever prove to you that I am reasonable. You will continue to
    suffer in the knowledge that there is at least one person out there who
    does not hang onto your every word as Gospel, who does not pay you the
    respect and attention you think you deserve.
    In showing that you have some unresolved neuroses and that you keep
    trying to impose your wishes on the rest of the world, yes, it works.
    Which implies that someone doing only 60MPH with no one in front of him
    should get out of it.
    What part of
    did you not understand?
    Let me tell you a basic fact of mathematics.

    60 < 65

    People doing 60 in the #1 lane, the fast lane, are not driving the legal
    speed limit.
    It does you no good to lecture me about drivers form other states.
    You shouldn't obsess about other people's sexuality so much. Well, you
    can if you want to; just don't talk about it all the time. It annoys
    people and makes them think you're a weirdo.
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 4, 2007
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    Outback Jon Guest

    <Monty Python>
    Well, I'm not sure I like the sound of these "Boncentration Bamps".
    </Monty Python>
    --
    "Outback" Jon - KC2BNE

    AMD Opteron 146 (@2.8) and 6.1 GHz of other AMD power...
    http://folding.stanford.edu - got folding? Team 53560

    2006 ZG1000A Concours "Blueline" COG# 7385 CDA# 0157
    1980 CB750F SuperSport <== For Sale $1200
     
    Outback Jon, Nov 4, 2007
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    Deaf2Queers Guest

     
    Deaf2Queers, Nov 4, 2007
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    Timberwoof Guest

    That about sums it up.
     
    Timberwoof, Nov 4, 2007
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