Germany Qualifying

AFAIK It's been there all teh time in his 500/MotoGp time and while his
(flawed) moves at the end of the race can be contributed to his
(overbloated) confidence the start moves are more intuitive agresivenes.

Other places he has been fighting to long down in 8,7,6... before he brake
free and end up alone out of the podium.

He he, sorry but you will have to explain what subtle macine differences (on
the best bike) that isn't made by Hayden himself that contribute to his
"bad" result. A clear power difference could do it, different frame or
suspension might go either way...
My guess is that allthough Max can be a whimp in some ways he can go fast on
any track and thats the reason he and the others for that matter are #1 on
respective bikes. Though and experinced guys. On the other hand Hayden feel
at home on shorter slower tracks.
BTW, noticed Rossi's post QP interview at assen where he said riden the Q.
tires on that track was _very_ _very_ exiting. When he puts it that way I
guess that was a blast. From what I know from others racing there the track
is exiting enough on Pirellis on a SS600

/MBE

 

I agree with everything else you say, but disagree with this. It seems with
machine here you really mean engine. But the truth is that very windy tracks
sometimes are pure engines tracks, since the slower the turn the more
important it can be to have a lot of engine power to catapult you out of it.
It's more of a functio of the type of corner mixed with the type of straight
that follows it. Some windy tracks become total engine tracks, some on the
other hand don't. It's not about how windy a track is, it's about how many
spots in it benefit all out pure acceleration. Some very slow, tight turns
also mean the transition out of the turn is so fast that careful throttle
hand control doesn't rally make that much of a difference.

It's a popular notion, the thing about slow tracks being rider tracks and
fast tracks being machine tracks, but in truth it is not as simple as that.

....pablo

 

He's been doing that since he started in 125GP and won the championship
there. Multiple lines, good on the brakes, high corner entry speed, high
mid corner speed. And he still manages to stand it up and fire it out
and get good drive.

And Honda's response is "more power". But on the current tracks, with
the current length of straights, they'll need *a lot more* power to
actually pass on the straights.

 

You won't have seen the rumours then that Honda are wheeling out a
revised engine after the break. With allegedly 30 more horsepower...

 

Hmmm. I think what makes a "rider's track" is complex enough to be
almost impossible to discern.

I always remember Lawson's comment about how it's fast corners that
sort riders out. It went something like "in a slow corner, the limit
is pretty clear - the front pushes, the back pushes, and that's as
fast as you can go. In a fast corner, it's much harder to find the
limit".

 

Take some journalists license, general lies about the current horsepower
levels and Hondas well known engine development ability. Now throw in an
engine update after 6 months work. Would you believe 10? How about 20?

Exactly Honda's problem. It wouldn't be the first time they've gone for
peak power and made the bike harder to ride.

Getting from 205mph to 210mph might well take 30hp extra. And if you
lost acceleration and made it harder to get out of the previous corner,
there are very, very few straights in the championship where there's
room to slip stream for long enough to actually get past. Great, 5 mph
more just as you brake. And you have to brake a fraction earlier. And
just as you draw level, Rossi sails off back past because he's braking
20m later.

The top speeds have been closer this year. But Rossi managed last year
with pretty consistently lower top speeds.