General bitching.

Discussion in 'Australian Motorcycles' started by Yeebers, May 17, 2008.

  1. Yeebers

    Yeebers Guest

    OK I am gonna have a rant.

    Since I got the bike sorted and put back together, I know full well that
    I did everything up tight and so forth.

    Anyway I've had a clunk / rattle on bumps ever since I got it back on
    the road. Poking around I've found a couple of things that are loose.

    One spot I'd lost a bolt that attached the muffler to under the body.
    'Til I could find a bolt that stayed I thought this was the leak.

    When I got the brake pads changed, the mechanic used the blue loctite
    stuff on the bolts to lock them in. Funnily enough the other end is
    threaded. Now I like to think I'd be told if I had threaded bolts
    holding my front brakes on. Dunno about you, I might be fussy. So once I
    found that, it took me a a few days to get some loctite. First up I
    swapped the brake caliper bolts on but it still rattled (and either way
    the upper bolt was threaded). After loctite and an appropriate curing
    period I took it out again this morning.

    Rattle.

    So anyway with the shits I popped Fritz on the stand and started banging
    the bike in various spots to see if I got a rattle.

    The tank seemed loose.

    In fact the front of it would lift approximately 8cm. The only thing
    stopping it moving more was that the bolt on the rear was tight.

    So I removed it and lifted the tank off. To my horror, neither bolt
    holding the fuel tank bracket to the frame was attached to the bracket.
    In fact the only reason they were still there was because there was no
    room for them to fall out.

    Now I know it's taken me weeks to find this fucking problem. I also know
    (I have pics) of the bike being reassembled, and in fact the one I last
    looked at shows the repainted tank just before it's attached. There's 2
    bolts firmly in the bracket.

    All I got the bike shop to look at was the front end and forks to make
    sure they were aligned and correctly installed. I don't think that would
    require removal of the fuel tank, but even if it did there's no way it
    would require removal of the tank bracket..

    Now I'm 99.9% sure that I *didn't* undo those bolts post photo -
    otherwise I'd have more photos. The tank went back on after the respray,
    and didn't come off at all. Even with the photo there's not enough
    evidence for me to get up the bike shop. Now I accept I may have stuffed
    up, don't get me wrong but I'd be pretty damned surprised given the info
    in front of me.

    Thankfully since I fixed that up, the rattle is completely gone. Felt
    good with the exhaust being the noisiest part of the bike again.

    Should I "provide feedback" (preferred) or just change shops (kneejerk
    reaction) ?
     
    Yeebers, May 17, 2008
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  2. Yeebers wrote:

    BTH and Minx have a Hyosung front brake caliper mounting bolt story. It
    seems to be a Hyosung design problem, and maybe the tank bracket bolts
    are too. 'Provide feedback' first, IMNSHO.
     
    Andrew McKenna, May 17, 2008
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  3. Yeebers

    Yeebers Guest

    OK Thanks for that Andrew. "good" to know others have the same issue but
    also not, if you know what I mean :)
     
    Yeebers, May 17, 2008
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  4. Yeebers

    BT Humble Guest

    Yup, certainly have. When I told the shop owner about how the left
    front caliper had fallen clean off the bike (thankfully only at 15km/h
    up the driveway at Funkytown) he indicated that he'd be having a deep
    discussion with his employee who did the new-bike assembly work.

    (He also gave me 2 new caliper bolts).


    BTH
     
    BT Humble, May 18, 2008
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  5. Yeebers

    Nev.. Guest

    Gee, you seem to have an opinion on everything else... I vote for option
    C, get rid of the rattly old piece of shit that's shaking itself apart.

    Nev..
    '07 XB12X
     
    Nev.., May 18, 2008
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  6. But you *still* had to supply your own blue Loctite!
     
    Andrew McKenna, May 18, 2008
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  7. A glazed doughnut to *anyone* who can explain WTF the quoted paragraph
    is on about. Threaded bolts? As opposed to what, smoothbore bolts?
     
    IK Laboratories, May 18, 2008
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  8. Yeebers

    Peter Wyzl Guest

    Your doughnut is safe.

    P
     
    Peter Wyzl, May 18, 2008
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  9. Yeebers

    Peter Wyzl Guest

    I'm with that - got a cheap FZ1 going here...

    P
     
    Peter Wyzl, May 18, 2008
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  10. Yeebers

    Yeebers Guest

    Yes and yes. Good summary. I'm unmechanical. It is held in place with
    blue loctite. :)
     
    Yeebers, May 18, 2008
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  11. aahhhh that now makes perfect sence. I was sitting here scratching my
    head, but didn't want to be the first person to appear silly :)
    __


    Cheers
    The Happy Drunk
    K100RT

    Thursday, and I'm not piking yet :)
     
    The Happy Drunk, May 18, 2008
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  12. It's *always* a relief to hear that.

    NB: Fulliautomatix, you'd already won a doughnut in my book by virtue
    of your nick... big Asterix fan here.
     
    intact.kneeslider, May 19, 2008
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  13. Yeebers

    bill_h Guest

    On Sun, 18 May 2008 16:00:46 -0700 (PDT),
    I'm usually more worried about keeping my asterix safe.

    Not that there's anything wrong in being interested in asterixes...

    (*)


    Bill :)
     
    bill_h, May 19, 2008
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  14. Loctite is a good product, I had by front guard painted and the idiot
    tightened it up too much when he put it back on and partially stripped the
    thread, as a stop-gap, I put it back with loctite as I needed to get home
    and the alloy welder was on holidays for two weeks.
    The guard is still there and that was 20 years ago when it was done.
    But I digress from caliper to guard,
    The retainer bolt is the thing which holds the caliper in place
    the nut on the bolt only stops the bolt from slipping out and if that nut is
    held in place with loctite, super glue or chewy, wouldn't make any
    difference to the effect of the braking,
    as long as that bolt stays in place
     
    George W. Frost, May 20, 2008
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  15. Yeebers

    Yeebers Guest

    Well I've done 450km with the bolt in with loctite.

    Nothing's gone wrong yet. Still doesn't budge, rattle or anything else.

    Also, without loctite the tank bolts have stayed in place.
     
    Yeebers, May 20, 2008
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  16. Depending on the amount of thread damage, loctite can be quite
    trustworthy (if the loctite is the correct type and has been applied
    correctly)

    If the thread damage on the assembly was a considerable amount, I
    would be tempted to see if a helicoil could be used.

    In a land far away, a long time ago (ok eight years ago) the engines
    that I maintained often needed helicoil kits used on them. Often we
    would find "spare parts" after the engines had been running for
    awhile. Normally, they were the exhaust studs from the cylinders.

    Helicoils are realitively simple. Drill the original thread out , tap
    a new thread and fit a helicoil. We had three different sized studs,
    and a little bit of trial and error to find the tightest (but not too
    tight) fit and an application of Loctite when fitting the helicoil and
    stud. If we did our job right, we didn't need to it again.
    ...... if we did it wrong, it was a cylinder change ;-)
    __


    Cheers
    The Happy Drunk
    K100RT

    Thursday, and I'm not piking yet :)
     
    The Happy Drunk, May 20, 2008
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