Gasoline additives

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Mike, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. Mike

    Mike Guest

    I've heard that it's a poor idea to use a carb cleaner that you add to
    your tank of gas when you fill up. But it seems to be the most simple
    solution to a little gunk in the carbs. Is it truly bad to put those
    gasoline additives through a bike, and if so, why, what does it do that
    is so undesirable.
    I need to clean my carbs but the bike is running, and i'd rather not
    completely disassemble the carbs unless it's completely necessary. If
    gasoline additives aren't going to work for me, are there any other
    simple solutions i should be trying, or should i just reside myself to
    a bit of work?

    Thanks in advance
    Mike
     
    Mike, Jan 5, 2005
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    Mark Olson Guest

    There is an alternative that is midway between the 'add to tank' and
    'remove & clean carbs' choices. Yamaha makes a high strength carb cleaner
    that is mixed 50:50 with water. You remove the gas line from the tank
    to the carbs, drain the carbs, then fill the bowls with the mixture and
    let it sit for a while. It is supposed to be pretty effective.

    Google for ACC-CARBC-LE-NR
     
    Mark Olson, Jan 5, 2005
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    John Johnson Guest

    check out:
    http://www.yft.org/tex_vfr/tech/additive.htm

    The following is a quote from another article that he wrote and allowed
    posted to the same site:

    "The author is a Chemist, retired from a major Oil and Chemical Company,
    after a career in the Quality Assurance of Fuels, Lubricants, and
    Chemical products. He and his wife both ride."

    This guy knows his stuff, and the upshot of his brief article is that if
    you follow directions you are unlikely to cause any problems, even if
    you don't see substantial improvements in one treatment.

    The basic issues with motorcycle carburetor cleaning, as I understand
    them, are:
    1. The cleaners can attack plastic and rubber as well as the junk in the
    carb, especially if used in a way other than indicated by the
    namufacturer.
    2. Some products simply don't seem to work. This can lead to frustration
    and not following directions, see above.
    3. No matter what product you choose, if your carbs are badly clogged
    they might not make a noticable difference. Kaybear jr has posted often
    to this group on this very subject, and I can't do any better than him;
    look him up in the archives, well worth knowing how MC carbs work.

    So, is it a 'poor idea' to use in-tank carb cleaners? Well, it won't do
    much for a badly clogged carburetor, and done improperly it might damage
    any carburetor. On the other hand, if you follow directions (possibly
    repeating the process a couple of times) on a MC that is not badly
    plugged up, you can see results.

    I did see results after running some Techron through my VFR. Fuel
    consumption improved from 30ish mpg to 45ish mpg after two tanks of gas
    so treated. My belief is that I had mildly varnished carbs and this
    stuff cleaned them out. Mind, the vehicle didn't run rough or give any
    other sign of having carb troubles, so it couldn't have been badly
    affected. Could it have been unrelated? I suppose so, but it's
    impossible to know for sure now.
     
    John Johnson, Jan 5, 2005
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  4. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Thanks, that should answer my question, i'll look into that yamaha
    additive, and probably end up putting a simple carb cleaner through.
    It's not varnished badly, just acting up a little, thought this would
    be a simple measure to take. Again, thanks for your help.
     
    Mike, Jan 5, 2005
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    Mark Olson Guest

    Remember- the Yamaha carb cleaner I mentioned is *not* a fuel additive,
    it is a special cleaning solution that is to be used strictly per the
    instructions, and is not to be mixed with gasoline in the tank.

    It sounds harder to do than it really is, the hardest part of the cleaning
    procedure for most folks is going to be figuring out how to access the
    carb bowl drain screws.
     
    Mark Olson, Jan 6, 2005
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  6. Mike

    Mike Guest

    Thanks, finding the carb screws shouldn't be a problem since i have to
    drain the carbs every fall anyway. Good reason to move to a warmer
    climate. Thanks for the help, it'll get me up and runnin for the
    spring.

    Peace
    Mike
     
    Mike, Jan 6, 2005
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