Further to my "attempted" break in thread...

whats the opinion on obvious security, ie a big FO bar/device outside the
garage door?

In a way it's saying "there is something to steal" but on the other hand, it
must dissaude the more casual person from attempting to bend open the door -
something non-obvious security doesn't.

I'm thinking of getting one of those "in front of the door" things and
supplementing it with some other stuff in the garage.

 

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How about a sign such as

"In the view of the owner of this property, Tony Martin was right
to kill intruders to his property.

If you choose to break into this property please bear the above
statement in mind and also accept that the property owner is
willing to go to prison to defend his property"


should do it ... maybe )

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Steve Parry

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http://wrexhamseals.tripod.com

 

Hmm let me think?
Around here that should get half a dozen blokes in hoods with Armalites
standing outside waving a jemmy and going *well?*

Of course because we had blokes around with Armalites I was able to
inadvertently leave my Beemer cage open and the garage door unlocked (Snap
on tool cab/2 bikes inside) for a week this year (while on hols) without any
problems.

I was in Belfast on Wednesday and was sitting in a Cafe, it was reet busy so
I ended up beside three coves, pudding basin hair/white Kappa shell suits/
white trainers. Now two were obviously brothers and one of these was pushing
the other in his wheelchair due to a knee/sledgehammer interface. I didn't
like to inquire further ) but I had the feeling it was saving other folks
mucho hassle.

 

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addendum to signage .... " does not apply to NI due to increased
numbers of suicidal psychopaths"


--
Steve Parry

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

http://wrexhamseals.tripod.com

 

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..... do they catch criminals nowadays? ...

Thought the resources only went to catch motoring offences?


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Steve Parry

http://www.gwynfryn.co.uk

http://wrexhamseals.tripod.com

 

The advice we got from the police (after our multitude of burglaries)
was that you can only deter the casual thief and something visible is
often the best for this. If it looks like it will be a ball ache for
them or make a lot of noise to get around they will hopefully go next
door (nice neighbourly attitude).

Depressingly he they also said that if the thieves are pros and are
after your stuff then nothing will stop them.

 

Well this is the approach I am taking - obvious and not quite so obvious.

Indeed - though if they are after the bike they're going to get a bit of a
shock when they discover
that despite it being a 2002 GSX-R it's done 14000 miles and isn't quite as
pristine as they normally are at that age.

Then again - they keep nicking Wizard's bike, so maybe I'm just fooling
myself.

 

Good point, well presented.

 

No shocks with either of mine I suspect, both look a bit knackered

 

That's the way to go, Dan. FOAD lump of steel bottom centre of the
door is a good deterrent - make sure the bottom of the door itself is
reinforced so it cannot be folded up or cut easily to get around the
lock, though.

This I believe to be true.

There is that - but too late once they've nicked it and do _just_
enough damage to it in revenge and frustration so that it leads to a
long hassle with the InsCo trying to decide whether to write it off or
not ...

Yeah, but they keep bringing the fucker back.

I reckon you'd do well to get a couple of Rhodesian Ridgebacks and
join the owner's club - place the membership stickers prominently,
next to the "Bokker on Guard" notices and you should have no hassle.

 

<snip, two sigs>

HTF did that happen, then? Arse.

 

Good point - didn't consider that - just slice around it and you've removed
the effectiveness of the lock...
I wonder what would be a good reinforcement that a) is easy to attach to the
door, b) isn't stupidly heavy
c) can't be cut through in an instant.

That said, I will be locking on the inside in a different place but still I
suppose if they want to cut through the door not a lot I can do about it :-/

We had two in South Africa - absolutely lovely dogs and actually
surprisingly calm and loving, but very loyal.
Bit thick with it though, which lead to a few interesting moments.

 

Well - a length of steel rod along the bottom of the door; a steel
plate reinforcing the vital area; a solid piece of wood, even. You
could bolt all of these through the door, then round the heads off so
they cant't be undone or loosened from outside. Taping it in place
forst and opening the door will soon tell you if the weight has
unbalanced the door.

Indeed - if they *want* in, they *will* get in. The thing to do is
persuade them that it just isn't worth the bother - the thing is, they
will want to be in as quickly and quietly as poss; then they can deal
with local security on the bike and prepare to run it down the drive
and into the van.

Do as much as you can to deter them from trying to get in, in the
first place - then, by use of a ground anchor and FOAD chain, loud
bike alarm and baby monitor, coupled with IR cameras and floodlights
controlled from inside the house, make 'em give up and/or catch their
ugly mugs on camera.

As has been suggested elsewhere, I reckon a good pair of hasps at the
bottom corners of the door, with good solid padlocks are both
reasonably subtle (and don't hurt as much when you kick 'em or stand
on 'em when you're wheeling the bike about) yet effective when Team
Scrote give them a hard look.

If you are still worried, a couple of gate bolt jobbies with padlocks
in the top corners of the door. These things are cheap and will leave
plenty of headroom in the budget for a FOAD ground anchor and chain.
Don't use Rawlbolts, use concrete adhesive - Screwfix carry this.

I've come across a few - most interestingly when doing a house call
with my big boss, who turned out to be shitscared of dogs - the bigger
the dog, the more scared he was. I did the interview, he spent 30
minutes with his back to the wall, sweating heavily, eyes popping -
with a Ridgeback's nose in his nuts ;-)

I like them.

 

Serious thieves will know what you have in your garage, so the only issue
is whether you can keep them out.

 

A deck-chair, an armed psychotic and some speed.

 

Ah, that'll be the Free State down there vvvv

 

For the more insane class of scrote, seeing that sign, they'd probably
break in just to spite you [1].

[1] Armed, "just how big are your bollocks..."