[QUOTE="Ron"] Oh yes it does! I know exactly what he means.[/QUOTE] I suspect I do, too, but I thought it better to point out that the sentence structure doesn't make the meaning clear than to let my assumptions do the answering. [QUOTE] Todays youth is nothing like the guys IK, I, and a lot of other knew. I guess we were brought up with different values and far different teachers.[/QUOTE] Are you familiar with the following quote: "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers." It's something Plato attributed to Socrates. What do you think is more likely; that you're really witnessing some kind of watershed collapse of moral fibre in society, or that it's simply your turn to get old and complain about the kids of today all being impolite slackarses? [QUOTE] Today, kids have "Smee's" to look up to for a role model!!![/QUOTE] Flippancy aside, mate, a 2005-model highschool kid could do a hell of a lot worse than have someone like Smee standing out the front of the classroom, and I dare say you know it, too. The blokes in the Solomons and in Timor now have gone through the sort of schooling Smee doles out, and yet they're not doing so badly over there, are they? (goes off and wonders if this is just the non-irate Ron, or this imposter that's got him so riled up)