Fuggit - That's me keeping the L plates a bit longer then :-/

On a good surface yes, but the weight transfer due to applying the
front brake can only happen because of the friction forces between
front tyre and road. When the road surface is less than ideal the
additional weight transfer caused by the rear brake will help.

I agree that this may be the greater of the factors involved.

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, Christopher Des

<bimble, bimble, bimble>

"Looks like that bloke might be about to pull ou... Oh **** he has!
Right then. Erm... Back brake first, 'cos that'll cause the rear
suspension to compress. Or was it front brake first, to maximise braking
due to the increase in the area of the contact patch? Don't want to have
the back end come round. Is it wet? Is the surface good? Perhaps I'll
just..."

<BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!>

"Ow".

--
Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"

 

You ride your way, I'll ride mine. That way we're both happy.

I don't worry about the mechanics of it but if I want maximum braking
I automatically apply the rear brake fractionally before the front. It
feels right.

Trying to explain why my riding style has evolved that way over the
years is far more difficult.

 

Possibly because of the types of bike you're most used to? I generally
don't bother with the back brake on stiffly sprung sportsbikes, but on
heavy bikes with soft suspension it makes a BIG difference. Giving the
rear a prod to compress the shock, or at least stop it extending
quickly, noticeably reduces the amount of front end dive you get when
you do yank on the front brake.

 

Doh!... keep trying mate.

 

^

Going into a corner, the engine braking was impressive, but nowhere near as
impressive as the false-neutral braking when I changed down...

Arsehole=f64

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Yes. A load balancing valve on the rear axle. It's activated according
to the rear load and restricts brake system pressure to the rear wheels.

Just for a laugh, try disconnecting it one day.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

I always thought cars just ran 2 seperatebrake circuits (unless they
have flashy traction control)

Like this

Circuit 1 Circuit 2
+--+ +--+
|/ \ |
+ +


So there's twice the braking effory up front as to the back.. and some
level of redundancy.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

It's fairly common on estate cars and vans to have a load balancing
valve - I don't know that every saloon car has one, though; as you say,
the reduction of braking effort to the rears is built in by default and
would often be accomplished by the use of drums/smaller discs anyway.

The original point I was making about Sweller's post though, is that
cars without some method of reducing the brake effort to the rear would
quite rapidly create holes in hedges. It's there, it's just that we
don't see it.

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

I must add this to my collection of high quality metaphors.

 

My old BX ran its front brakes off main hydraulic pressure, and the rears
off rear suspension pressure.

 

Could be true. I've never owned a modern sportsbike, though I have
ridden a few.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "platypus"

Bloody French plumbing. Where did the bidet go?

--

Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
SbS#6 DIAABTCOD#16 APOSTLE#6 FUB#3
FUB KotL OSOS#12? UKRMMA#19 COSOC#10

 

Citroens, via the load sensing valve that decides how much brake is
applied to the rear depending on load.

What ever happened to Mr. Packer?

 

the cont known as Muck says...

You were supposed to say 'keep crashing'

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, petrolcan

I'm watching you, you cont.

--
Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"

 

the cont known as Nigel Eaton says...

Do so, MOT very soon.....

I'm off for a shag

 

Using the patented Mavis Beacon "Hunt&Peck" Technique, petrolcan

<suspicious glare>

You haven't bolted a chair to it, have you?

Good man.

--
Nigel - Manufacturer of the "Champion-105" range of rearsets

WS* GHPOTHUF#24 APOSTLE#14 DLC#1 COFF#20 BOTAFOT#150 HYPO#0(KoTL) IbW#41
ZZR1100, Enfield 500 Curry House Racer "The Basmati Rice Burner",
Honda GL1000K2 (On its hols) Kawasaki ZN1300 Voyager "Oh, Oh, It's so big"

 

the cont known as Nigel Eaton says...

The 'wing is ugly enough.

Finished now, i'm knackered. She's good

 

2.25 to 3.10 - pathetic - I'd be trading you in.