Fuggit - That's me keeping the L plates a bit longer then :-/

Not experienced enough to pass the emergency stop or know (suddenly- sic)
not to enter a box junction with no clear exit presumably (or old enough to
remember the giant cartoon hand that would pick him up and finger him
senseless in the local cop shop).

Personally I don't see how feathering the back brake on a sportsbike mid
corner or bringing the front down from a wheelie is relevant to an emergency
stop on a public road. For the record in my test I touched the back brake
but didn't actually use it as a braking force. However, if he was on a
scooter who cares.

 

Well, I have made what seemed a reasonable assumption there, it's true -
based on the nature of the questions.

Rick

 

"Too many people ignore the rear brake. Oddly enough, the riders who've
won all the MotoGP/GP 500 Championships since 1990 are all famous for
using the rear brake"

Pigeon toes?

 

I didn't say you did. I'm not sure how we've got from accepting that the
back brake is shit to suddenly agreeing with Veggie that's it's amazing.

 

Not as much as it does on my Duke, I'll bet. I used to remember you'd
close the throttle on my old Spadas and the heavy flywheel would mean
the thing ploughed on like the Titanic towards the iceberg.

Or have you lightened the flywheel on yours?

The Duke is a joke. If you want to scrub 10mph off the speed, just close
the throttle for one second: job done. On French Runs there have been
people telling me that the brake light is busted because they've never
seen it come on.

It's still on the original pads after seven years and 25,000 miles :-0

I really, really liked the old Guzzi linked systrem. Once you adapted to
it, it worked so well and you very rarely had to use the "hand" brake.

Honda nicked the idea in its totality for early Aspencade versions of
the Wing, before going bok and coming up with the complicated linked
system they currently use (and which no other manufacturer has thought
was worth copying).

 

Aah...once again accusations from you of being stroppy just because I'm not
making jokes. You know how much I love *that*, keep it up. FYI I would have
very little reason to be stroppy since I'm going snowboarding tomorrow, I've
got a new DAW on the way and I've just been told how much my tax refund is
this year which is probably going to pay for some racing action (or some
home improvements is it goes that way instead). Eat that!

Heh, don't think I need to really. Just bolstering Mr Sterry's corner as
he's taking some unjustified flak imo.

 

I'm looking at Ducati monsters atm. Cheap (relatively) and cheerful.

Er...I don't think anyone said it would.

 

That's right - he needs to learn how to do it properly rather than ****
around working out ways to pretend he can actually ride...

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No, I mean stopping a slide by removing some of the force through the
front tyre's contact patch, rather than balancing it ala powerslide etc.

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Pip wrote

Fucking cheek, I am left handed.

 

http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,,sid9_gci213647,00.html

 

It has a Le Man flywheel which is marginally lighter. They can be made
much much lighter.

TBH, I'm amazed that it isn't more widespread. Although motorcyclists
tend to be quite conservative; very much "I'll put the brakes on when I
want to" etc etc.

I appreciate that front only braking changes the suspension angles
allowing faster turn ins but for quick road riding the linked brakes
provide a very stable platform.

I can't think of any mass-produced cars, even with a sports bias, that
have brake balance adjustment.

 

"Lozzo"says to Donegal Paul says...

*heh* Thats the real stinger

exactly
--
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Maico Letta 247cc - We have the technology.
Bajaj Chetak 125 - Wannabe Vespa
Lambretta Li186 - stripped.
Vespa T5 Millenium - intact
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"Lozzo" said to Bear says...

Bollox it is
--
Donegal Paul - On the mend
Maico Letta 247cc - We have the technology.
Bajaj Chetak 125 - Wannabe Vespa
Lambretta Li186 - stripped.
Vespa T5 Millenium - intact
www.thepilgrimssc.co.uk

 

"porl" sayeth unto "Pip" who was replying to "Richard Sterry"

Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques
Been riding about oooohhh 3 plus years?

ah well, to be fair i can do it, and 99 times out of 100 its perfect, even
had to do an unscheduled one actually during the test when some **** in a
beemer pulled out in front of me, and it was perfect too.

or know (suddenly- sic)

you can enter it, but only if its is clear, the issue was stopping in one,
which you can only do in a right turn situation.
--
Donegal Paul - On the mend
Maico Letta 247cc - We have the technology.
Bajaj Chetak 125 - Wannabe Vespa
Lambretta Li186 - stripped.
Vespa T5 Millenium - intact
www.thepilgrimssc.co.uk

 

When the rear brake is applied, two forces cause the swinging arm to
pivot: wheel rotational momentum and forward momentum. These combine
to make the swinging arm rotate about both the rear wheel spindle and
the rear tyre contact patch, and so the front of the swinging arm
moves lower in relation to the rear wheel spindle.

This not only causes the rear suspension to compress, but also exerts
a downward force through the frame, compressing the front forks and
increasing the available friction should the rider decide to apply the
front brake.

 

Pressures of the test and the capricious nature of examiners are terrifying

In a right turn, when the exit is clear (to wait for a break in oncoming
traffic). If the exit wasn't clear you can't enter it and then the issue of
stopping in it wouldn't arise. Unless of course oncoming traffic turned left
(your right) and came to a standstill while you were waiting in the box.
Then you simply gas it and ride over the top.

 

It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

They've all got it, else you'd be doing 360s every time you braked on a
bend. Mind you, it's not adjustable from inside.

--

Dave

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