Fuggit - That's me keeping the L plates a bit longer then :-/

Especially when a brake pad's fallen out of the front caliper and you
need to stop RIGHT NOW!

DAMHIKIJKOK

 

Yep - the one where everyone can wheelie. I believe you weren't a pupil
there?

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Veggie Dave
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Even on a sports bike. Using the back brake to initiate weight
transfer to the front allows you to use the front brake harder and
sooner.

 

Touche!

 

I learnt how important the rear brake is on race-reps when I found out
how much they can control a bike midcorner

Too many people ignore the rear brake. Oddly enough, the riders who've
won all the MotoGP/GP 500 Championships since 1990 are all famous for
using the rear brake

--
Veggie Dave
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How strong is the competition?

 

How does that work?

 

When you're pushing the front tyre incredibly hard and it's either
starting the make the front slide or upset the bike's stability, using
the rear brake to remove weight from the front slightly can and does
stop the bike from 'pushing'

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Veggie Dave
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Extreme Racing http://www.veggie-dave.co.uk
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It was somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the

Mini, thigh-highs and belly top.

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Dave

GS 850 x2 / SE 6a
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I do believe he's trying to explain how hitting the rear brake slightly
before the front ones can, especially in the wet, dramatically lessen
the massive transfer of weight forward thus allowing harder braking,
except he's got the weight transfer direction wrong

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Veggie Dave
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the cont known as Bear says...

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TBH, I cant remember if you were here or not at the time.

 

I don't think it's a matter of massive amounts brake control capability
just a case of keeping the bike balanced 'balanced'.

I've found it very useful, on occasion, to drag the Guzzi's back brake
when it's run out of ground clearance [1] on fast wide corners.

This also has the effect of also applying one of the front disks which
seems to settle the whole plot down. I wouldn't use the front disk by
itself to any great extent mid corner.


[1] Usually indicated on left handers by the side stand touching down
but on right handers it feels like I'm riding on a pair of 50 pence
pieces. I do not like this feeling...

 

I read it as Veggie was taking the weight off the front to stop it
pushing and giving back the bikes stability; not about sliding the back.

Either way I meant it in a keeping the bike balanced through the corner
way rather than "oops, I've fucked this up".

I'm fairly confident I've mastered the panic braking instincts.

Ground clearance isn't really a problem TBH
http://www.sweller.dynalias.org/images/guz_front.jpg

 

Well that notwithstanding, if you're on a racetrack mid-corner- especially
on a RH- htf are you going to use the back brake even if you want to? Aren't
the balls of your feet resting nicely on the pegs?

 

I can't agree more - especially in this case, Paul's velocipede being
a scooter.

 

I've got the target fixation mostly sorted. Although I have managed to
run over two pedestrians in the last 4 years. There is a good chance
that may be MZ Trophy brakes and stupid people related.

Out on the road with bikes other than the MZ it's not a problem. The
bins I have had, that were down to me, have been due to misreading the
road surface. Outbraking myself on gravel strewn roads (twice - once in
France) and greasy roads where the back decided to overtake the front.

Basically: "Being a twat".

They were very good in a 1970's way, certainly a lot better than
contemporary Japanese, but since fitting the 4 pot Brembos on the front
coupled with good cast disks they're a *massive* improvement.

I've had the back end up (not far) just on the single disk but with the
skinny forks, long heavy bike it doesn't feel right and very inelegant on
landing.

 

Mean't to add: Champ's view was they seemed OK but it then transpired he
was only using the one disk (the conventional hand operated one) and
Platty said he hadn't really noticed as shutting the throttle seemed to
have the effect of stopping it dead.

 

Since when did people take the test with a pillion on the back? My advice
was clearly in the context of the question, which is emergency stop in a
test. Experienced riders may well develop more sophisticated techniques for
dealing with more complex situations, but this guy is not experienced yet.

The guy is taking his test, and braking in a straight line on the
instruction of the examiner. His current technique ain't working for him, so
he needs to change it. Ignoring the back brake, (assuming the front one
actually works!), is well worth trying. It's easy enough to practice
somewhere away from the traffic, to establish what does and what does not
work well.

Rick

 

Do you know how experienced the OP is?
If you don't, you'd best ask him.