Front plates > any more than this ?

http://www.bikepoint.com.au/portal/tabID__501554/ArticleID__2899010/DesktopDefault.aspx

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 07 Mar 2008 10:36:49 +1000

Dodgy stats, a certain amount of "follow the money"...

AMC is working on it, I have no news as to current status.

Zebee

 

you know...

All they have to do is make it an ADR rule that all new bikes sold in
Aust must have provision for a front number plate design and it the
importers and Manufactures problem.

it will take a while to filter through, just like seat belts years ago

mh

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 6 Mar 2008 17:44:09 -0800 (PST)

As far as I know, ADRs are different mob to the ones pushing for FNP.

The ADRs are federal and would want a full safety justification,
especially as the manufacturers would tell them to get lost.

The FNP is being pushed by Victorian State govt who forgot about bikes
when they installed all their speed cameras, and forgot about them
when they opened their tollroads.

There is also the problem of one of the main proponents of this is
linked to people who sell speed cameras...

Even if they pulled off an ADR, it would only affect a very small
percentage of the bike fleet for years and years.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 6 Mar 2008 19:19:19 -0800 (PST)

Just how big do you think this market is?

And you miss the bit up there about different mobs. And different
agendas.

No, it is because only a small number of new bikes are bought every
year.

Probably. Although given how many there are in Vic, maybe not.

Zebee

 

In aus.motorcycles on Thu, 6 Mar 2008 20:27:15 -0800 (PST)

admittedly their biggest seller is the CT100 and they could probably
do plates for that.

Mounting them on the sportbikes wouldn't work. Cruisers would also
look wrong. Why would Honda bother with the Oz market if they lose
3/4 of it?

Basically the ADR people have no *reason* to do it. It wouldn't do
what the Vics want, hence the Vics aren't arguing for it.

And they have no leverage on the feds for a safety argument.

Zebee

 

The issue is dead in the water.
the mob that was asked to compile the report had to more or less "go the
motion" and they don't believe it will actually take place due to the
very large disparity between bikes.
It was commissioned in victoria but the findings implications were to be
Australia wide.
From Tony E MRAA: following a meeting with the Victorian minister.

'We had our meeting today with the Minister - I'm becoming more
optimistic about a good outcome.

One thing is that he took on board the comments we had about the poor
engineering - and the comment from the MCCNSW about them needing to be
professionally fitted to avoid warrant/safety issues. We also made the
point that motorcyclists cannot be expected to pay for this.

It does appear that the ACT have totally rejected FNP's. SA & TAS are
less than enthusiastic and Victoria is probably leaning towards the
negative (hard to tell yet). NSW is enthusiastic about them...

I also pointed out that the RIS mentioned that there weren't any big
issues for business. They forgot to mention some of the larger users -
Australia Post and the military...

About 10,000 motorcycles in total. Postie bikes would need special
fittings and the estimate is around $1 million to develop test
manufacture and install suitable FNPs. If they can forget about
Australia Post, what else can they forget?

I'll post more stuff as I can. There is more stuff coming up.

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 07 Mar 2008 18:29:11 +1100

Heh. and isn't it funny that the NSW govt says the opposite? They
don't care and the Vics do?

My understanding is that the Vic lot are driving this, with help from some
NSW people (non-govt) who have rather a strong connection to companies
that sell speed cameras.

As to dead in the water, that's what we thought last time. THere's a
shedload of revenue (they think) riding on this. This time around it
was brought in as sneakily as possible.

Zebee

 

Are your comments based on any real figures or just speculation and fear
mongering?

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

All motorcycles would need "Special fitting", and as Aust Post almost
exclusively use a single model which would probably be very easily
retrofitted with a front number plate I think you're way off the money
there.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

Front numberplates on Ferraris, Lambos and lots of other cars "look
wrong", but they seem to manage to fit them ok.

Nev..
'07 XB12X

 

In aus.motorcycles on Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:49:16 +1100

Which comments and which figures?

Zebee

 

Eh?!!?
Sure some of these cars have smaller 'plate mounts than a standard
Australian plate but all are designed to carry a front plate (as far as I'm
aware).
About zero currently available bikes are designed to have a front plate.

 

You maybe suprised now many car drivers are infavor of it all the way
to the bank too ... "If I get charged, why shoudlnt they"...

 

No surprise there Biggus, we know they are a pack of jealous bastards.

regards,
CrazyCam

 

You're quoting a quote Nev
I was paraphrasing a quote.

 

I believe that front plate mounts actually *are* available for Enfields!

So that would be one currently available bike was designed to have a
front plate.

Of course it was designed for a lengthways along the guard plate (back
in the 50's) which wouldn't meet the proposed standard... but lets not
be picky ok


G-S

 

Ask them if they would like to contribute an extra $50 to the Government for
registration fees as we have to do in Victoria
Bet they would change their tune then

 

Even though I dont ride on road anymore, Im aways watchin the shit
happening on the Monash on way home fromwork, cars delib tryin to
block bikes - Why? I always move over n give em room..
**** Im jealous too, I loved sittin there for hour from Stud to
Wellington the other day bustin for a piss... ended up jumpin out n
going wee on the road..

 

Sorry to get picky, but the 2006 model Indian Enfield which I rode last
year had no such mounting points for a lengthways numberplate on the
front guard.

http://www.thisstupidurl.com/nev-khardungla.jpg

Nev..
'07 XB12X