Friday - windy, cool ride

My bad. I shall refrain from using it again. <g>


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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

: lol.. There has sure been a rash of them, these past few months.. These
: guys are buying some serious motorcycles.. Valkyries, Voyagers, Ventures
: and GoldWings.. My old Green Vulcan gets plumb intimidated.. but, they
: don't have to wait for us too long.. <chuckle>

: Besides.. no one is competing on most of our rides.. that's a good thing..

: Are you settling in the Austin area, George ?

I've been settled in Austin for 7 years now, but I work construction and
go where the job is. I work temporary assignments, so I keep my house in
Austin and stay in hotels or get an apartment wherever the job is.

I hope to have something in central Texas for my next job, but we'll see.

 

Well believe it or not Bill, I think we can agree on this point. If,
as per your scenario, the rider is already out of control and at the
mercy of the elements on the pavement and another vehicle and they use
their last bit of effort to mitigate the potential damages of a crash,
I agree with you there are ways to limit the damages and the pain.

Of course this would not be considered layin er down to avoid a crash.


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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

I know the feeling very well.. Yep.. I had a whole buncha' years in the con-
struction bid'ness.. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you get one close to
home, this time around..

How'd you like working in California ? I always thought they were in another
world out there.. If I wasn't actually on the job, I'd be south of the
border, rid-
ing my motorcycle.. Sure got acquainted with a lot of those good mexican
bikers, down there.. That was the only good thing I could say about working
in California..

Bill Walker

 

You can call it anything you want to.. There are only split seconds to
decide
whether you'll make a textbook stop or go under the wheels.. Getting clear
of the motorcycle and the other vehicle is one of my priorities.. I'll
surely get
scraped and banged around, but chances are, I'll be around to shake my
head when it's over.. Riding that thing into a collision while you are being
text-
book correct and applying brakes on a surface which doesn't support you,
will
definitely not end well..

On another note.. personally, the situation which we are arguing isn't one
which
happens on a regular basis.. Many riders never experience the situation
after
years of operating a motorcycle.. They are the lucky ones and I hope they
never
have to deal with it.. However, I would argue that anyone who emphasizes
that
they keep that motorcycle on it's wheels, applying brakes in a correct
fashion, at
all costs.. isn't advising in that riders' best interests.. There comes a
time when
you let that motorcycle go to suffer it's fate and save your own ass.. I've
been
very fortunate to have not realized more than broken lights or lens and no
dam-
age to my body.. That old Green Vulcan still looks pretty good after ten
years of
some hard miles on it.. I don't have any scars, so something works fairly
well for
me.. Like I said.. I'll ride mine and you can do the same..

 

For the benefit of Big Ed.. I think "impugning" means something like

 

Now you are backtracking on the scenario Bill. As you are aware there
are many ways to avoid a collision or an untimely off road excursion.
Straight line braking is but one of the tools in the tool box. All of
those tools require maintaining control of the motorcycle. Control
which you have already conceded would be lost by layin it down.

Your scenario had the rider already out of control and choosing the
least offensive escape route. Now you seem to be suggesting the crash
could be avoided not by maintaining control but layin er down.

Once again, all of the accident avoidance techniques we have available
rely on staying in control of the vehicle.

Read the above reference to "all of the tools in the tool box"

Now if memory serves, in your case you had total control of your
motorcycle and found a stationary object in your path. Was it a
trailer? Can't remember.

Anyway in order to avoid hitting that object you chose to drop your
motorcycle, and judging from the minimal damage, that drop took place
at a very low speed, possibly at a dead stop. Once again if my memory
is correct you avoided hitting the trailer (or object).

If you accept the bike can be brought to a stop faster by using the
brakes (which is the simple fact) than by grinding metal and plastic
on the road, in this instance the correct option would have been to
maintain control of the bike and bring it to a stop by effective
braking. You would have brought the machine to a controlled stop
before hitting the object.

But you're right Bill, you ride your way and I'll ride mine.




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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

: How'd you like working in California ? I always thought they were in another
: world out there.. If I wasn't actually on the job, I'd be south of the
: border, rid-
: ing my motorcycle.. Sure got acquainted with a lot of those good mexican
: bikers, down there.. That was the only good thing I could say about working
: in California..

Financially, I did very well in California. There are some great
motorcycle roads there, as well. I let all the other shit slide, as I
wasn't a citizen of the state I didn't get into the politics. The
traffic sucks, but on a motorcycle you can split lanes. When I was in
the truck in traffic I was on the clock, so it all paid the same.

I only rode to Mexico once, had a good time and met some good fellows
there. Had a bitch of a time getting home, due to the weather. Tijuana
floods when they get a monsoon, makes it fun to ride through.

 

I can tell you some fun times in those flooded streets in Tijuana.. yessir..

For about eleven months.. I commuted from there on my motorcycle.. That
was about a two and a half hour commute and I preferred it to living in the
Orange county area.. Thought about running for mayor in Tijuana and might
have won the election, if I'd tried it.. lol

See you soon, I hope..

Bill Walker

 

LMAO.. Backtrack ?? Bullshit..

I've never lost a motorcycle to a crash .. While you are using all those
"tools"
you'll be dog meat.. in the scenario that I have been in.. In turn.. I've
managed
to luck out and make a few picture perfect emergency stops without
crashing..
I have no idea what the hell you are talking about with all the "trailer"
stuff..
It sure wasn't anything that had to do with me in this thread..

Sand, gravel, ice or loose leaves.. right ? Good luck.. lol

Me neither.. not in this thread..

Don't have a clue what you are referring to.. Another vehicle isn't likely
to
be stationary on the highway, in traffic.. Be that as it may.. going under
the
wheels of a semi with your bike isn't good motorcycle handling.. Error res-
ponsibility aside.. that's suicide.. Some don't have the luxury of time to
make all those "tools available" selections..

Phew.. all that metal and plastic "grinding" is impressive.. LOL.. Again..
this old Green Vulcan looks pretty damned good after more than ten
years of hard riding.. Like I said.. I can stop my motorcycle about as
quick as anyone around.. but, in the worst case.. that sucker is gone
when it comes to saving my ass..

You bet'cha.. I will do just that..

 

Tell ya what, what say we leave this discussion with the desire for
neither of us to have to test our accident avoidance techniques in a
real life situation.

Ride Safe.


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24 hours in a day
&
24 beer in a case

Coincidence?

I think not

 

''George Pollard" <>
(wonders this?)

I'm still trying to figure out how I got involved in this. I was riding
in south Texas yesterday, not up there in the northlands.
It was cold there, too, though.

(George)
  

(Okay George, listen?)
''You did sumpun sometime,somewhere,possibly with sumone,at a time that
attracted attention to someone that was waiting on the right time to
inform everyone on this ng(and others)that there was a possibility that
you were involved in it.''- Big Ed)



I'm impressed? Yes sir, I am. Your answer to George, was indeed one of
the most coherant responses, that I've had the privalege of clicking
onto, in a good while, on this illustrous Texas Motorcyles Disc Group.
And to top it off Ed, you didnt top it off. My regards , Bjay all day.

 

(Brian summarizes)
''It's amazing what stupid discussions this group can have....''


But------we need it. Our ratings are dropping. Could be becasue we
have mainly discussed ''motorcycles'' since the first of the year. What
else could it be??
We need this! {

B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
03Valk-&-98 Magna
Have a Dandy Day--

 

Calgary:
''I suspect that I can stop my motorcycle under ideal conditions, as
fast as anyone .
hmmm.. Some on this newsgroup can testify to that, and recently..
Talking about a Textbook emergency stop on a road surface with those
conditions, is downright
stupidity.. Staying with that motorcycle in the face of certain
collision isn't just stupid,
it is insane.. Bill Walker)




Bill,Theres a few folks, that strickly go by the Riders textbook, so to
speak.

They seem to have the need to take the ''famous'' MCT courses (cant
think of the proper name of 'em) annually.
(Not that's there anything wrong with that.)

According to that text book, it says to stay on the bike,hit all them
brakes no matter the circumstance. No other options.

To a few of us, that have rode for a long time, know ( or realize)
there's a time to try to ride the bike down, called ''lay'er down''. It
worked over 50 years ago, and it will work today if the rider thinks he
''can do it'', and if he thinks it's necessary, and all this happens in
mili-seconds.

We have to remember, that this technique is not ''teach'able'' in those
weekend classes.
Think about it, how could an instructor attempt to even try to instruct
a student to lay it down, try to stay on it, riding around in circles
in a parking lot, up to 10 mph.

A rider can either do it on his own,as the circumstances happen, or not.
That's all there is to it.

I forgot the name of the guy who posted on this thread that he indeed
''did lay'' his down (in these modern times), and feels it saved his
life;

B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
03Valk-&-98 Magna
Have a Dandy Day--

 

All that "lay'er down" thing is not something that I'd recommend to anyone..
It's not an everyday or every ride type of thing that anyone will
encounter..
A great deal of agility and physical co-ordination is involved, otherwise a
lot of riders that I know and respect would surely kill themselves or make
a bad situation worse..

All that being said.. you are right.. Safely laying a motorcycle down can't
be
taught to anyone in a classroom or in a parking lot.. Laying one down should
be a last resort and only when faced with certain collision with another
veh-
icle..

Bill Walker

 

Damn right. If you see your going to have a collision, jump off that
nigger and let the road have it. If you have to choose between your
life and the bike, **** that bike..buy new...with blueteeth and a
electric windshield if you can find one.

Redshad

 

(Ed Hart)
Calgary: (?)
"impugning" This is a word that is not on the use list for this
newsgroup.Please reframe from it.Your co-operation,even mandatory,is
appreciated.




He was trying to say some of them 50 cent words, thanking' we'd not
understand and tend to thank' he was a smart'un.
That's my inpug, and I'm sticking to it.

B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
03Valk-&-98 Magna
Have a Dandy Day--

 

> wrote in message ‘‘Don't pussy out Bill,tell
it like it is.WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’’



Ed,
<grin> There you go with all that nasty talking, again.. Just because
you got special dispensation for =top posting=, doesn't mean that you'll
get a pass for all this unseemly and vulgar language, even though it is
rep- resented by initials..



I agree.
But, Big Ed, can get away with his ''top post'' talent, because he
actually is Big Ed; Big, bad, Ed. Who is gonna argue with him, I ask.
He can say more in one line, than most of us, in 100 lines.
It might not make any sense, but that is beside the point.
I like how he straightened out The Calgary One. And done it with very
few texas words. (RNGrin)

B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
03Valk-&-98 Magna
Have a Dandy Day--

 

All that being said.. you are right.. Safely laying a motorcycle down
can't be
taught to anyone in a classroom or in a parking lot.. Laying one down
should be a last resort and only when faced with certain collision with
another veh-
icle..
Bill Walker)



I understood exactly your point, he didnt, apparantly.
It is not like a rider would choose laying 'er down, over applying all
the brakes,keeping it up and straight!
Hail’, who wouldnt?? Shoot we aint stupid over, and down here in
Tejas. <g>

Some folks, seem to rely on all that classroom stuff, they read
Motorsikel books, and talk about all that technique ''riding tools''
stuff, and that's certainly understandable. No Biggie.

Of course I would recommend some of that stuff, to a brand new Rider
applicant.

There's a fellow over on Reeky awhile back, that took 2 or 3 of them MCT
weekend deals, and within days after each training session /mind you/,
lost his bike in a ditch, dropped it a a Light, and I dont know whatall
else the dude had happen to him. (poor sucker)<chuckle>.
(Some folks are just accident prone, I rectum)

You, Ed, or I, could have taught him well, in a Wally world Parking lot,
in a few hours. (kidding) <g>



B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
03Valk-&-98 Magna
Have a Dandy Day--

 

‘‘Damn right. If you see your going to have a collision, jump off
that nigger and let the road have it. If you have to choose between your
life and the bike, **** that bike..buy new...with blueteeth and a
electric windshield if you can find one.
Redshad ’’


LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Hot damn that was funny.
''jump off that nigger''. nigger?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You should have said. ''jump off that colored'' thang, and let the road
have er?
LOLOLOLOLMAOO.

B. Jay Kana--
NETexas
03Valk-&-98 Magna
Have a Dandy Day--