Four years jail...

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by TOG@Toil, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. TOG@Toil

    Beav Guest

    You know how wide the road was and you know what was coming in the opposite
    directions too? Clever trick that.


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    Beav, Feb 29, 2008
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    Beav Guest

    Or wheelie past as quickly as possible. If this country slows down any more,
    well all be fucking parked up going nowhere.
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    Beav, Feb 29, 2008
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    AW Guest

    Don't be daft. She doesn't wear lippy...
     
    AW, Feb 29, 2008
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    AW Guest


    See other posts for the full context.
     
    AW, Feb 29, 2008
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    AW Guest


    As a general point, it's a fair comment. However I do know that it
    was a fairly wide one way street at a quiet time of day so there was
    no good reason for a cyclist to be hogging the door zone.
     
    AW, Feb 29, 2008
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    Spete Guest

    Cyclist, yes?

    The **** (cyclist) went through a red light.
     
    Spete, Feb 29, 2008
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    AW Guest


    I do agree with you - just saying that it seems harsh that no account
    seems to be taken of the actions of the pedal powered party.
     
    AW, Feb 29, 2008
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    Pete Guest

    The law disagrees with you. Neither point you raise leads to any
    culpability.

    Pete
     
    Pete, Feb 29, 2008
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    Pete Guest

    Just to add to Clive's point. When the Highway Code uses the term
    "MUST" it means there is directly applicable legislation which it then
    references. "SHOULD" is advisory behaviour depending on conditions.

    Pete
     
    Pete, Feb 29, 2008
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    platypus Guest

    Well, you say that, but she's not the one with the pine overcoat.
     
    platypus, Feb 29, 2008
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    serf Guest

    *newsflash*

    The Highway Code does not carry the force of law.

    HTH
     
    serf, Feb 29, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    >, Ekul Namsob
    says...
    I failed my first motorcycle test because I didn't leave enough room
    when pulling out from behind a parked car.
     
    Rob Morley, Feb 29, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    @c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, AW
    says...
    But the 'must' clauses are backed by a legal requirement, while the
    'should' clauses are only advisory.
     
    Rob Morley, Feb 29, 2008
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Apart from the bits that start with 'must'.
     
    Rob Morley, Feb 29, 2008
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  15. Like cyclists, you mean? I know they moan about how they're at risk from
    cars, but if I collide with some **** jumping a red, while on my
    motorcycle, it'll hurt me just as badly, if not worse. And the ****
    probably won't have insurance.

    Yes, she was stupid. So was he.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 29, 2008
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  16. I'm with you, on this.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 29, 2008
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  17. Less than you get for killing a motorcyclist, in many cases.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Feb 29, 2008
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    Dentist Guest

    Fucking staggering. Still, I suppose the punishment of living with her
    child's newly acquired extreme eating disorder makes up for it a bit.
    (thinks...) This wasn't by the seaside by any chance was it? Were the
    copper's trousers rolled up at all?
     
    Dentist, Feb 29, 2008
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    Pete Fisher Guest

    The sentence does indeed appear to be in line with the guidelines stated
    in that article. I have no problem with the "aggravating factor"
    argument.

    What I find surprising is that the conduct of the person killed is not
    specifically mentioned under "mitigating factors".

    Still, if she hadn't mown him down, she might have taken out someone
    else who was entirely innocent.

    The other day I was nearly nailed by a **** reversing a (white
    naturally) van out of a builders yard on to a main road whilst talking
    on their mobile.

    So yes she always deserved a custodial sentence (never said she
    shouldn't), and perhaps given those guidelines it was the correct one.

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    Pete Fisher, Feb 29, 2008
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    Paul Rudin Guest

    Well - the HC does not carry the force of law, full stop. Where it says
    "must" it's alerting you to the fact that there is law that tells you to
    do (or not) essentially what the rule says. But it's the relevant
    statute that has the force of law (by virtue of being law :)) - not the
    HC rule - which is normally a very brief, loosely worded, incomplete
    summary.
     
    Paul Rudin, Feb 29, 2008
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