found sulfur-like substance in carburetor bowls

Discussion in 'Motorbike Technical Discussion' started by Matt, Apr 20, 2005.

  1. Matt

    Matt Guest

    My '76 Honda CJ360T (an old twin) has been in storage without running
    for twelve years. I don't believe the carbs have ever been cleaned, and
    since '83 I've never even been good enough to drain the bowls for the
    winters. Usually I just closed off the fuel valve and parked the bike.

    I disassembled the carbs yesterday, finding that the power pistons were
    stuck and that the throttle linkages were severely gummed up. I cleaned
    up those problems.

    Upon removing the bowls (they were dry of course), I found inside each
    bowl a layer of very fine yellowish, slightly greenish powder. The
    layer was up to about one millimeter thick and covered all the inside
    parts (floats, jet screws, float valve) that would normally be submerged
    in gas. The powder was mostly insoluble in water and mostly insoluble
    in oil and wasn't affected much by detergent water either. I brushed
    the powder away with water and a toothbrush, then removed and cleaned
    and replaced the jets and valves. When mixed with water, the powder
    partly floated in small blobs and partly settled out as a fine
    dirty-green sediment. A little of it was not easily removed and I
    reassemble the bowls with a little of the the stuff still clinging to
    the insides of the bowls.

    Can anybody give some ideas about what this powder was, how bad it is, etc?
     
    Matt, Apr 20, 2005
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  2. Congratulations, Matt! You are the one millionth person to post about
    his discovery of the gum and varnish deposited inside a carburetor when
    all the gasoline evaporates!

    Problem is getting all that stuff out of the idle jets and the idle
    passages. Try Berryman's B12 Chemtool in the aerosol can...

    Do NOT attempt to remove the idle jets, unless you have a slot
    screwdriver that fits the slot in the jet perfectly, you will bugger
    tha slot and play hell getting that soft brass jet out...
     
    krusty kritter, Apr 20, 2005
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  3. It's residue from the petrol, and it's a bitch to remove. Complete
    stripping and ultrasonic cleaning of the carbs is the only sure-fire way
    when they're thius badly gummed.

    And no, it isn't cheap.
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 20, 2005
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  4. Matt

    Bryan Guest

    Bring it by my house, I'll let you know when it's running.

    Bryan
     
    Bryan, Apr 21, 2005
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  5. Matt

    Matt Guest

    Uh oh ... I already removed it using a small screwdriver and a plastic
    broom straw. After unscrewing, it was still stuck inside, so I shoved
    the broom straw in the hole. The jet stuck on the broom straw and came
    out pretty easily. I was able to blow air throught the tiny holes in
    the sides. I didn't get the feeling that I had damaged anything.
     
    Matt, Apr 21, 2005
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  6. Matt

    Paul Elliot Guest

    Probably OK, broom straws are a lot softer than brass :)
    I know people that would have used a length of mechanics wire!
    PC Paul
     
    Paul Elliot, Apr 21, 2005
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  7. Matt

    Matt Guest

    Uh oh ... I already removed it using a small screwdriver and a plastic
    broom straw. After unscrewing, it was still stuck inside, so I shoved
    the broom straw in the hole. The jet stuck on the broom straw and came
    out pretty easily.
     
    Matt, Apr 22, 2005
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  8. Matt

    Matt Guest

    Uh oh ... I already removed it using a small screwdriver and a plastic
    broom straw. After unscrewing, it was still stuck inside, so I shoved
    the broom straw in the hole. The jet stuck on the broom straw and came
    out pretty easily. I was able to blow air throught the tiny holes in
    the sides. I didn't get the feeling that I had damaged anything.
     
    Matt, Apr 22, 2005
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  9. Matt

    Shep© Guest

    Back to your original problem.Leave the bowls in a pan filled with
    Vinegar(Acetic Acid) or Washing Soda crystals over night.You can warm
    the pan up if you like to speed up the cleaning :)
    You can also use Baking Soda in a dense solution of water and leave
    overnight :p



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    Shep©, Apr 24, 2005
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  10. Not sure I like the idea of using a sandblaster on carbs, but.....
     
    The Older Gentleman, Apr 24, 2005
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    Tim Morrow Guest

    I've used a bead blaster with walnut shells for carb bodies, that seems to be
    okay. But Berkobil (sp?) carb cleaner worked best for me. Except on Amal
    carbs. I didn't like what it did the the zinc/aluminum alloy of the carb
    bodies.
     
    Tim Morrow, Apr 24, 2005
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  12. Matt

    Matt Guest

    I should have written that I didn't see green in dust---only in the
    dirty wash water after brushing the jet threads. I think the brass was
    the only metal that had any significant corrosion. I believe the main
    amount of dust (there was a lot!) was yellowish white and was just
    gasoline residue, presumedly "varnish" and similar.
     
    Matt, May 23, 2005
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