For the bored - Helium

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by 'Hog, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. 'Hog

    'Hog Guest

    For those having a boring Tuesday and who may wish to expand the mind. It's
    a little known fact that the world has been experiencing a Helium shortage,
    gas and liquid. Prices doubled and doubled again over the past decade. Not
    so much a problem with supply per se, but with capture and processing
    capacity, and with the Yanks.

    A situation that is due to improve but of today I have an MR scanner which
    is 9% above the critical point and BOC are struggling to supply me with a
    Flask. A large MR contains about 1200L of liquid helium. I'm mostly
    blaming Ivan and his monster magnets.

    Despite being the second most common element in the Universe (1) the process
    of planetary formation left no Helium here. Radioactive decay forms Helium-4
    and this has accumulated in recoverable quantities in some Natural Gas
    fields. A limited and dwindling resource it is almost impossible to contain
    and recycle due to the Rollin Effect. So any dreams of a superconducting
    future should be put on ice.

    The science and physics of Helium in the solid, liquid and gaseous phases is
    *utterly* fascinating. Reading a little is a window into the nature of the
    universe and of matter (2). Someone has put up a great Wiki entry.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium

    (1) as observed to date
    (2) if it doesn't interest you check your pulse, you died last night
     
    'Hog, Feb 9, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    first time I can recall you being funny.
     
    darsy, Feb 9, 2010
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    boots Guest

    I'd noticed.
     
    boots, Feb 10, 2010
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    'Hog Guest

    Heliox?
     
    'Hog, Feb 10, 2010
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    Dave Emerson Guest

    <fx:squeaky voice>

    It wasn't me.

    </fx:sv)
     
    Dave Emerson, Feb 10, 2010
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    boots Guest

    Trimix, prices appear to have doubled from a couple of years back.
     
    boots, Feb 10, 2010
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    ogden Guest

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/05/helium_dome_forever/
     
    ogden, Feb 10, 2010
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  8. 'Hog

    'Hog Guest

    Hence my comment about them.

    Europe is securing it's own source and reclamation facility in North Africa
    but that is not fully operational yet.

    Nevertheless in human terms it is going to become a rare resource far too
    soon. Particularly if Ivan overcooks the magnet power supply again.

    I've sourced 750Litres now and it arrives tomorrow. Got anything you want
    embrittling.
     
    'Hog, Feb 10, 2010
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  9. Don't be doing too much blaming -- installations like CERN and PSI
    recycle as much helium as possible, with their own liquefaction plants.
    Blame divers who use it to replace nitrogen, people selling party balloons,
    etc, and NASA for using it to flush out cryogenic rocket fuel tanks...
    ....and Congress who dictated that the US Strategic reserve should be sold
    off by a given deadline (IIRC from a article I read a few days ago).

    OK, our little 4 T NMR magnet at Brunel doesn't have a recovery
    line (we use it to test photodetectors used in CMS), but it only uses a
    60 l fill twice a year; is your MR scanner hooked up to a recovery line?
    Not just that; as with hydrogen its average thermal velocity is
    above the Earth's escape velocity -- it leaks into space!
    ...only if it's cooled to the superfluid phase, nicht wahr?
    There are now lots of superconductors that work above 77 K; I've
    stopped following the field so I don't know what the current (pardon the pun)
    record is. (135 K according to Wiki.)
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    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Feb 10, 2010
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  10. Ah, that's the article I'd seen.
    Look, I wasn't on shift when that happened, OK? (I was when another
    little accident happened to CMS, but I was just an observer being told what
    to do at that stage.)
    Hydrogen would be better for embrittlement, no? Helium from alpha
    radiation can do the same thing, I guess, but over a longer timescale.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_embrittlement

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    KotPT -- "for stupidity above and beyond the call of duty".
     
    Dr Ivan D. Reid, Feb 10, 2010
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    ogden Guest

    Alpha radiation is just uppity helium.
     
    ogden, Feb 10, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    did I ever tell you the tale of when I was at uni and we hid an alpha
    source in the rucksack of a twat we didn't like?

    I wonder if he died.
     
    darsy, Feb 11, 2010
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  13. I never ceased to amaze me what the massive increase in cost was with
    anything to do with the cryogenic pumps, feed lines or couplings for an
    Ariane 5.

    Not forgetting the techniques used to shift 3 tons of cryogenic fuel
    into an engine per second.
     
    Mick Whittingham, Feb 11, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    Possibly, but very unlikely to be anything to do with lugging an Alpha
    source around.


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    Catman, Feb 11, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    Oh I don't know - if it got mixed up in his sandwich...
     
    darsy, Feb 11, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    Werll I *spose* but IIRC Alpha particles can barely penetrate clothes /
    skin. So 72ish hours internal exposure.

    Unless it was also *poisonous*?

    OTOH Wiki seems to think I'm talking crap. Again! Who'd have thought it.


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    Catman, Feb 11, 2010
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    darsy Guest

    go tell that to Alexander Litvinenko.
    oh wait...
     
    darsy, Feb 11, 2010
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    ogden Guest

    So long as he didn't have any significant alpha particle inhibitors in
    his rucksack.

    You know, sheets of paper, that kind of thing.
     
    ogden, Feb 11, 2010
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    Catman Guest

    Well I never. I thought it was simply the chemical[1] toxicity of the
    Polonium that did for him. It appears to be more complex than that, TY.

    [1] as opposed to the radioactivity, for want of a better word.


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    Catman, Feb 11, 2010
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    Ian White Guest



    http://www.periodicvideos.com
     
    Ian White, Feb 11, 2010
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