"For Immediate Release"

Because it was cold and wet, or do you not comprehend that?

Hmm...I didn't feel the hot exhaust pipe against my leg because my
pant leg was cold and wet and the heat didn't get close to my skin.

Thank you Dr. Johnny Moron.

It sure is nice that idiots like you and Mark Johnson can pick apart a
ride report. You two assholes beg for "ride reports" and then when you
get one you pick it apart complaining that someone did something
wrong. Where were you? Oh yes, you can't ride more than 547 miles in
12 hours on a nice day. You complain about bad weather when it
drizzles for a few minutes. If it feels damp outside, you huddle up
and cower under the bed waiting for sunshine so you can ride you "Iron
Butt" ride of 547 miles a day.

Hey, have I told you you're a fat ass nothing...with a nothing
foundation?

 

Bill's losing touch with reality and going off into his own world again.
the only one flaming people is him. maybe that's how he stays warm. <g>

 

You forget that I used to have a cruiser. Had to get rid of it
because it was just too damned slow in the twisties. I was grinding
metal too often. ;-)


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

then you weren't "quite toasty" were you.

But you did have the aches, trouble operating the bike and your joints
froze up.

<Quiznos>
"mmmm toasty"
</Quiznos>

It's a good lesson for others to see how hypothermia works, and to dress
appropriately for riding in mid November. Otherwise you definitely will
stop when you can no longer operate the bike and that may not be in the
manner you want to stop. Trouble operating the clutch, shifter and
brakes are a serious hint from your body to pull over and warm up.
Listen to it.

 

Wow! We found out why you're so F_A_T!!!

Maybe if you'd stay out of those places a little more, you might be
able to ride more than 547 miles a day on your "Iron Butt" (in your
case, that doesn't fit...but not many things do) ride!!!

 

There's a good cure for that...pull up the kickstand!

 

<>mark, below, it looks like you think Elmer wrote about his "endurance
Ride" to Elgin.I realize you say "quoted", but you knew
otherwise........but it was Brian that went into detail to share his
interesting trip article. And, it's possible, that Brian was sharing his
experience to remind us to be prepared, when riding off in November
anywhere, anytime. He said, that he should have had better gear, but
that he, like most every Rider has done, Road off, thinking it would be
okay...etc.
Surely, Mark, you have gotten into a situation like Brian described!!
THIS time of year, I always have my rain gear strapped on. Better to
have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it.
~~~ BJAY><><><><><><><><><><><><<>



Elmer McKeegan quoted an interesting road report.
I'm curious about the apparent lack of proper gear that allowed a rider
to nearly succumb to hypothermia. No rain gear, boots, gloves. Leather
may block wind, but it still xfers cold and absorbs water when exposed
long enough.
Loss of motor control and judgment skills when hypothermic can lead to
much more serious problems when trying to control a motorcycle. Sharing
these lessons with others was very big of the author. Letting others
learn from our mistakes helps them avoid making the same ones
themselves.
<><>
mark johnson<>

 

LMAO!

That was the only complaint the guy had about my bike when I brought
it in for a trade in.

"Been getting your pegs down a bit, eh?" was what he asked. So I
said "yeah, why do you think I am trying to buy that Falco over
there?" He laughed.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

<>Brian, to me an endurance ride, is exactly what your "journey to
Elgin" turned into. That means, all that can possibly happen, happenend
to you.
Rain, coldness, your description of your
round trip, certainly became an endurance ride. I have done it. You
endured it, because, once, you were at a point of no return. You even
said you contemplated turning around.<>You wear a helmet for the same
reasons as a lotta folks do. <>I like the looks of a helmet, I have
about 4 helmets, differnet styles and colors and more.
<>I don't see how anyone can enjoy a 70-75 cruising speed, with just a
doo/rag, or a cap turned backerds......the eXception, is the Wings, one
can smoke a pipe, behind those Fairings......The few times, I didnt wear
the helmet, I would constatntly adjust my rag or cap.....lost a few. <>I
have seen quite a few Helmets, with gashes in them,and they blonged to
friends, that were glad they had em' on, at the appropriate time......<>
i'm unclear about what you mean "I will have both sides of your Bike
stripped of chrome?", referring if you and me, ever ride the Ark.
hills???????????..bjay

<>Brian<>
BTW, I don't wear a helmet because I'm concerned of wrecking...I don't
ever worry about that. It might happen, but when it does, it will be so
spectacular that they'll write stories about it for generations.
I wear a helmet because it looks good, it protects me from elements (hot
and cold...and shit flying up from the road and off trailers) and
because I look good wearing it!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<>again, your description of your Ride, was interesting. <>Made me
wanna, gear up, and Take Off. I like a good ole endurance motorcycle
Trip. bjay
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I don't know about the "endurance" part...I was just out riding a bit. I
did "endurance" back in August.
If you ever wanna gear up and go riding, let me know and I'll see about
riding out toward Arkansas and see if we can find some of those old
hills out there that I remember! *WARNING* Make sure you have a good
chrome plater back home when you get done on one of those rides...I'll
have both sides of your bike stripped of any chrome. I think I left my
centerstand out there once and I know I lost a passenger peg that I had
replaced.
<>Brian<>

 

<> my family and I are gonna do a ride around mena, the Thanksgiving
Weekend.
Cold or not.....we like gearing up and see if we can stay warm...my wife
has all the leather stuff.....she likes it....
<>><><><<>><><<><><><><><><><>><<>
<>I'd be up for an Ark., ride when springtime comes back around. Some of
those mountain passes can be quite cold. ;-)
--Fullstate
Me and Mah 'Priller!

<>haveAgoodDay-Bjay<>

 

Actually, I was just putting some interesting twists to the story
instead of "we went to Elgin...we spoke about bills...the bills were
good...we rode home...the ride was good".

Here's a paraphrase from a ride report that Mark likes:
"I rode on Highway 555. I turned left on Highway 444. I saw a dog. The
dog was good. I rode further down the highway. I ate lunch at Mike's
Burgers. The burgers were good. I rode home. The End."

Don't worry. I won't make the mistake of interesting conversations for
this group again. F*ck them. They want a "sharing of a ride", they can
get off their fat asses and ride. I didn't write the posting for their
benefit anyway. It wasn't that cold. It was about 55 degrees. It was
just wet. Rain gear? The only rain gear to keep from getting soaked in
200 miles of water is stay your ass at home. Since I went to ride, I
rode in the rain. Will I stay my ass at home next time? Nope. All the
Mark Johnsons and all the Johnny Morons aren't worth me missing out on
good company of people who are willing to get out and make a
difference.

 

hmmm.. Not even the "road kill safari" would compare..
I've posted about fellowship amongst bikers for years, now.. The company of
the men you associated with, last Saturday is the finest example ..They ride
hard and they are seriously riding with a mission.. They don't ride for
recognition or to receive a certificate or award.. These men and women ride
and represent best interest of all of us.. The ones who are critical of
these brothers and sisters have no idea of the debts that we all owe to
them... Not to mention the respect that is due ..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

I was noting I saw it as quoted text in a message Elmer posted. I
didn;t see the original. I was being specific.

I saw a report and some problems. Perhaps some people don't
"summarize" in a "lessons learned" conclusion like most people do. I
didn't see it in the quoted text I saw.

I got into a situation like that back when I first started riding and
was waay too cold in January (farther north than here) when it dropped
below freezing after dark and I had to ride home in sub-freezing
weather. Fortunately it was only 30 or 40 miles and dry. My conclusion
(as I share often in different forums) is that there's no substitute
for good, *riding gear* (as opposed to street cloths). In the summer,
haul potable water for emergencies. In the winter, layers for
emergencies. Weather can change suddenly when on a trip. It's better
to have something and not need it than need it and not have it. Rain
and temp drops are common this time of year. Living on The Weather
Channel several days before leaving for a _planned_ trip is good
advice. It lets you see fronts and weather trends that may be missing
you at home but hitting elsewhere along your route.

Which is what I think I already aluded to in the much less explicitly
detailed post that you quoted below.

 

One thing I *discovered* (was told about) in the past 10 years has
made winter riding much more pleasant: http://www.widder.com

I've been riding in 18 deg F weather for hours and enjoyed every
minute of it. No one said that riding had to be painful to be enjoyable.

 

Thanks for the reminders, very good use of a newsgroup. Tips and
suggestions are well received by many of us that ride to enjoy.

......louie

 

Yeah, but it means so much more if you 'sacrificed'. I know next time I
go to support something, I going to stick a nail in my foot, for all of
you out there.

.....louie

 

I'm OK down to about 40....and then only for a short while. I don't
have any heated gear or anything. I know it gets quite nippy in those
mountain passes.


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Very commendable.. Good.. See you in Austin come January..

 

Someone sent me a comment that a claim was made that no gear can keep
your dry on a 200 mile ride. Clearly someone doesn't understand the
changes made to gear in the last 30 years. Qualifiers to the
statement like, "that I can afford", or "that won't cover up my chaps
while I pose", would certainly make the statement accurate. After all,
someone choosing to not use gear that is available is different than
claiming it doesn't exist. Choice is up to everyone; even when that
choice includes ignoring available options.

 

I thought your "use of a newsgroup" consisted of complaining that
bikers piss in your yard....