"For Immediate Release"

"For Immediate Release"
That was the topic of the TMRA2 advisors meeting yesterday.

It was cold, and wet. All the way down to Elgin was not a good ride,
other than the ride. On the way out the door, I was debating wearing
the helmet and whether to wear my joe rocket jacket or my leather
jacket. My wife brought up a couple good points. One was that I didn't
know what the weather would do for sure through the day and two was
that I wouldn't be able to change my mind when I'm in another part of
Texas. I went with her "say so" and put on the leather jacket and my
helmet...and I'm glad I did! I ended up between Lancaster and
Hillsboro somewhere and thought "damn, my heavy gloves and chaps sure
would feel better and make the ride more enjoyable". I remembered they
were left laying on my tool chest in the garage as I left out. Nice! I
went ahead and kept plugging along down the highway when out of the
blue, I saw a glimpse of 290 sign and an arrow. I raked across the
highway and made the exit...only to find out I took the wrong "290"
and ended up going through downtown Temple. I never knew what slums
that town had...not to mention the amount of welfare offices available
to the republican voters. As I muttled my way through the town, I
continued thinking I should turn back and go home...but it was too
important that I be at the meeting. Next I was thinking how STUPID the
directions were that I got off the webpage of TMRA2. It had to have
been from a woman! I got through Temple and started on my way to
Taylor...I thought. I ended up right at the cut-off to Taylor and
stopped to be sure. As I was looking at my map and directions, I saw
this finger appear...that wasn't mine. I looked over and this old
woman was asking where I was going. I could hardly hear what she was
saying, so she got right into the helmet with me and started screaming
it. Now, this woman had been drinking plenty of coffee (Folgers) and
smoking plenty of cigarettes...I knew this because she was right in
the helmet with me (YUCK!). I don't know if it was my face I made when
she started screaming at me in my helmet or what, but she quickly
backed up and said "oh, I've been drinking coffee and smoking"...or
maybe she smelt it like I did? She then started a 30 questions for me
about what I was doing going to Elgin..."what are you doing, what is
going on, what is there?". I finally asked her if she wanted to get on
that bike and go with me to find out. She said "I'm not getting on
that crazy machine in this weather". Keep in mind, when she speaks to
me, she's screaming at me as she gets in the helmet...not that I can't
hear her...but because I'm listening to Paul Simon in the helmet and
she doesn't know I am. I told her that I'm not getting in her car
(although a car would've been pretty nice at this point) and going to
a TMRA2 meeting. She parted into the store and I headed for Taylor and
eventually, Elgin. Now, I don't know if it's me, or if it's the
rednecks in that part of Texas, but I pronounce the name Elgin as
"eljin"...they (and there were several I spoke to) kept pronouncing it
"el Gin". I checked when I got home and webster's backs me up with no
entries saying otherwise. Well, I got to Elgin (pronounced "eljin")
and followed the directions. It turned out that I had to go through
the entire city (and it's bigger than the directions say) twice
because the directions didn't give alternates. It turned out that I
rode RIGHT FREAKIN' BY THE TURN OFF WHICH WAS A FREAKIN' 1/4 MILE OFF
THE HIGHWAY I PULLED IN ON! I didn't find this out until we were
leaving and I saw Mike pull out and go the opposite direction and jump
on the highway to home from the gas stop. Thanks Mike, it's nice to
see you don't mind TAKING THE SHORT CUTS!!! As I always say, "anyone
could've done it that way". After passing the office SEVERAL TIMES and
finally seeing Mike's Harley sitting out front I found the location
and pulled in. The meeting was already underway...no surprise since I
chewed up a couple hours turning around...but the good news is if
anyone ever asks me to on a driving test, I have plenty of practice!
Issues discussed were the basic drab discussions which had interest to
us all...but the one's you hate discussing because there's just not
much energy involved. The bills coming up for legislative day were
discussed to some detail and there was even a reporter there from some
newspaper (personally, I think he was part of the "anti-terrorism
squad"...like the one who penetrated the peace people in California).
He didn't seem to take many notes other than when people's names were
being said and activities planned. With all the bills being discussed,
I wasn't hearing much that would be embraced by members and
non-members enough to generate the flux needed to make this January
well deserved. I don't know if it's the apathy from the elections or
just "don't really care" that's causing membership to lose their
interest, but something needed to snap out of it. We are facing a big
opposition this legislation and there have been many topics discussed
here in the past year or so which should be on the list to discuss in
January. Things like loud pipes and handlebar height are topics which
need to be discussed in great lengths. Where were you folks? I saw a
dude from El Paso who drove his flower delivery van (before anyone
calls this guy a "fag", you might've looked at him...nothing gay about
him...and not even "happy") there and made the meeting. Many of you
here in tx.moto are in Austin and didn't make it. Mike and I rode from
D/FW in the rain and cold to make it, where were you folks that have
all these problems?

Well, Mike finally looked around the room at the turnout that was
there (me included) and said "okay guys, I'm going to offer a barrel
of glass with a $1000 bill at the bottom and see who will want to go
in after it". As we sat there, Mike did his usual muttering about with
the topic when he has something important to say until he finally said
"what do y'all think about revisiting the helmet law and going for a
clean helmet law?". MAN! Talk about waking up a room full of people!!!
Sputnik was the first to say "hell yes, I'll go in head first and lay
my guts on the floor for everyone else to stand on to do that!". I
never noticed Sputnik (who I found out yesterday is just "Sputnik"
now) didn't have many teeth...until yesterday when his grin was from
ear to FREAKIN' ear! He had to take a couple hits of oxygen and his
inhaler to control himself. Wholly Moly!!! Well, the members who were
there voted and said "HELL YES!". After all the excitement caused by
this, I almost felt bad after the meeting of going out and putting my
helmet on to go grab a bite to eat before heading home. Even at the
restaurant, the topic at the table was about the helmet bill going to
be introduced in January.

After eating, Mike and I decided to head back to D/FW together. We
gassed up at the stop in Elgin (eljin) and then hit the highway. I
always enjoy riding with Mike, he knows how to ride and will ride that
ole' Harley...but I have to stay in front of him because of the paint
chips flying off. I don't know how Mike could stand it, but I was
cold. The only time I was okay was when I had the visor down, and even
then the only thing still cold was from the thighs down and my hands.
We stopped at the next stop in Waco and I told Mike that it didn't
seem that cold when it started raining "kinda like getting punched in
the face to keep you from noticing your foot hurts". As it turned out,
that wasn't the worst part of the rain and cold. We continued on until
the split and I told Mike that I would let him know later if I would
go up 35w with him or split off and head on 35e. I saw the signs and
waved him on. It looked like the traffic would be worse on 35w and
plus I thought about the added miles. I thought that there was one
extra stop involved and I wanted to just stay on it to the house. It's
about 120 miles extra for me to go 35w and it was just too cold and
wet. As I hit Hillsboro, it started raining again and then got worse
and worse. I ran on until I got home, but with EXTREME aches. I
finally stopped at the stop sign to get on Gus Thomasson and had
trouble with the clutch and gearing up. I had been so cold and so wet
for so long that my joints froze up. I finally made it to the garage
and my wife was getting the door open so I could pull on in. I had to
sit there for a few minutes to get warmed and move. As I was sitting
there, I kept hearing this noise sounding like hissing. I asked my
wife if she was cooking something. She said "no, why?". I told her
that I was hearing a noise and wondered what it was. She listened and
then followed the sound down to the motorcycle. OH NO!!! Not THAT!!!
She said "stupid, you're cooking your leg on the pipes". WHOA! Now, I
don't know about the rest of you, but you know you're cold when you
cook your leg on hot pipes and don't even know it. As she started
laughing at it (which actually it was funny...but I wasn't gonna let
her know that) I reminded her that I could've got a motel room and not
bothered about the ride. After I finally got off the bike, she
wouldn't let me go inside until I pulled off the wet clothes. I stood
there for a minute and looked down to pull off my shoes and noticed
there was a huge puddle formed where I was standing. I stepped up and
then back down to see about a gallon of water coming out of each shoe.
That's wet! After getting undressed, I hit the shower for about 30
minutes to get warmed up and then it was a nite topped off with
American Chopper on DVD...I really need a welder!

Well folks, that's it. Get ready for January. We are revisiting the
helmet law and going for a clean bill this time. None of this you have
to do this or that and maybe have a sticker. Nope, none of that.

I'm not sure how many are aware, but in Texas it's illegal to ride
without a helmet. It's never been legal since the helmet law went into
effect in the late '80s (or early '90s). All these people riding
around without helmets are breaking the law. If you think I'm nuts
about it, just ask John Cornyn. He's the one who said it. It's
completely illegal to ride without a helmet, and you have to prove you
are within compliance of the law. It's silly, but it's true. What
TMRA2 will be planning this January it to introduce a bill to make it
legal in Texas to ride without a helmet if you're over 18 years old.
Since there were "exclusions" placed in the law in the late 90s to
allow for some riders to ride without helmets, there have been no
"drains" on society like what the politicians would have us believe.
There have been no "drains" on education. There haven't even been
"children in danger". Nope, just a bunch of people deciding they
wanted to ride without helmets. Surprisingly though, most of those
non-helmetted riders out there don't even know they're breaking the
law or even what the law says. There have been many requests for
"help" from these riders out here when they get stopped and directed
to the TMRA2...so here's their chance to get involved. All those
"welfare riders" and those who called them "welfare riders" can pick
up this topic and run with it. I'll be quite honest, I didn't
appreciate sitting in the room yesterday seeing faces of people who
were trying to make a difference while the one's who scream "welfare
riders" weren't there. Next time I see some of those people, I'm
planning on pointing that out to them...and I better be seeing them in
January!

This helmet bill is directly connected to the HIPAA which allows for
insurance companies to deny benefits to their policy holders due to an
injury involving "risk". They can't deny coverage itself, just the
paid benefits. We are being forced in Texas to buy this coverage that
is worthless if we want to ride without helmets. One affects the
other! Even if you don't agree with the idea of riding without
helmets, surely you can agree that medical coverages should pay
benefits if you're in an accident involving a motorcycle, jetski,
boat, snowmobile...even riding a boro!

<directed to the helmet society among us>
So, look out! All you helmet riders out there, TMRA2 is going to make
you not wear helmets! TMRA2 is going to introduce a bill that will
remove helmets from the streets. If you're caught with a helmet, your
first offense is a $500 fine and suspension of your motorcycle
endorsement for a period of 90 days. If you're caught again, the
second conviction gets you a $1000 fine and 180 days in jail. On your
third conviction (if you go that far), you'll be shot on the spot and
your helmet crushed so it might not fall into the hands of the
innocent.
</directed>

I hope something in this writing will stir something inside of all of
you to help an organization that helps you.

See y'all in January!

 

Good report..

Now .. here's something that everyone can get their teeth into... Support or
oppose.. get off your asses and react..

The men and women who traveled to Elgin, Tx.. Saturday are to be commended
and respected.. as usual.. Regretfully.. I couldn't make this trip.. Next
time for sure and you can bet that I'll be in Austin, come January..

The fine brother that Brian mentioned who drove his florist delivery van
from El Paso is well known throughout Texas.. His wife is also a member of
TMRA II.. Although Brian never mentioned her.. she's a State Representative
from that area and a Warrior.. He's in the florist business to make a living
... Does pretty good, I'm told.. He's also every inch a Warrior and he rides
with one of the most notorious groups from that area.. Damn.. what a hoss..

There are some other, very important issues which TMRA II will be addressing
in Austin, next January.. As the date gets closer, those issues will be
expanded to cover the new legislation that will be proposed and offered ..

Corporate lobbyists are expected to converge on our Capitol during January
and they should be greeted by a whole slew of Bikers who have had enough of
the bought and paid for, representation that we have become accustomed to..

Our own representatives, who are patronized by these corporate lobbyists,
should also be confronted with the same attitudes by those Bikers..

Good luck to all of us in Texas, who ride.. The next few months will be
critical to us during the upcoming year..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Yeah, it's kinda an awkward looking thing. On a brand new van
advertising his floral delivery, there's a sticker on his bumper
advertising Bandidos...interesting mix!

I wonder if Dennis wants to ask this guy about his ragged Harley from
Bedford? I kinda doubt it!

Actually, if this dude ever delivered flowers to me, I'd be looking
over my shoulder for the rest of my life...wondering when/where the
shooter was going to be at.

Speaking of "converging", I forgot to add that TMRA2 will be renting a
lot to park the bikes and hire someone to watch them while we "take
care of biness". There's also going to be a "banquet" the night before
to get all the bills in order and let the riders/warriors get
prepared.

 

Yep.. this upcoming legislative session is very critical to every motorcycle
enthusiast in Texas.. I'm given to understand that other states have become
interested and will be on hand to support us in Austin..

One slight correction to my reference to my good friend from El Paso.. I
mistakenly called State Rep. Norma "DA LADY" Chavez, his wife.. learned
today that "DA LADY" is not Mondo's wife, but they travel together on
occasion.. I'm told that his wife accompanied him to Elgin, this weekend..

And you are absolutely correct about his association with Bandidos.. LOL..
While Barnett's worked on my bike, I made some enquiries about Mondo.. I was
asking if anyone knew how to contact him.. since I didn't have his number or
address with me.. Immediately.. several people spoke up " Hey .. sure .. I
ride with him a lot".. Others .. not quite sure .. asked if he was one of
the leaders of Bandidos.. It was funny... Then, in just a few short minutes
... Mondo came rushing in to Barnetts.. He looked the place over until he
spied me.. "Hola .. Hermano" was his greeting.. Thanks Mondo.. you are a
real Warrior, in every sense of the word..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Good article, Brian!<> I really enjoyed your "endurance" motorcyle
ride.<>I have been in the same predicament of being caught out, without
my rain gear...especially it is bad, when I debated and debated about
taking it...and say to myself.."Uhhh, it's not gonna rain, just because
it's completely cloudy and drizzleing and windy....I don't need that
stuff" and ride away. <>
You are right, when you say 90% of us out here, are not aware of the
Helmet Law.
B-U-T, any Helmet law/wear/don't wear, has never bothered me, cause I've
been wearing one since 1972. I wear one, mainly to break the head wind,
not so much, for protection. It reads like you wear a helmet, and your
'pop' doesnt??
<>So, is it, that the cops, just don't pay attention to the
Helmet-wearing Law?
<>again, your description of your Ride, was interesting. <>Made me
wanna, gear up, and Take Off. I like a good ole endurance motorcycle
Trip.

<>haveAgoodDay-Bjay<>

 

The helmet law as it exists, is a bit more complicated.. When TMRA II
commenced the opposition to the outright requirement to wear helmets.. much
negotiation was necessary to secure the legislation that we currently have.

Legislation now in place says that you must wear a helmet, unless you meet
certain exclusion conditions.. i.e. medical insurance, personal bond, age
requirements, etc. etc...Any LEO who observes a motorcyclist riding without
a helmet is considered to be in violation of the law, unless he can produce
the documentation for exclusion.. That gives him the right to stop you for
probable cause..Another evidence of exclusion is a sticker that is available
through DPS, which is another issue with many bikers..

The current helmet law was never intended to be a perfected piece of
legislation.. Sputnik, Elmer McKeeghan and Mike Alvey spearheaded the
opposition to give everyone relief from the law.. Of course, many other
brothers in TMRA II were instrumental in that difficult fight in the
legislature.. Did I mention TMRA II sisters, as well ?

When these courageous men and women successfully got the legislation passed,
they informed us all that it was not a perfected Bill and would be revisited
at a later date..

The "later date" is going to be in January, at the legislative session..
They've kept their pledges to all motorcyclists in Texas.. In light of the
changes in legislative Bills in other states, there is a dual purpose for
choosing this time to introduce the Bills ..

There are other issues that TMRA II is going to the session to address..
Some of them have to do with insurance issues .. We've all worked extremely
hard this past two years and we've made a great deal of progress toward
making all our voices heard by the political powers that be..

Fortunately for us all, we have a efficient organization like TMRA II, that
is looking out for our freedoms and liberties.. in Texas... We don't win
them all, but we make a dent, now and then..

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Glad to see you were able to make the meeting even in those nasty
conditions. Wish I could have been there but right now I have more
commitments than I do time. However I will be there for Legislative day in
January and for Breakfast with the Bikers in March. Already have those
dates listed with my boss for time off.

 

Elmer McKeegan quoted an interesting road report.

I'm curious about the apparent lack of proper gear that allowed a
rider to nearly succumb to hypothermia. No rain gear, boots, gloves.
Leather may block wind, but it still xfers cold and absorbs water when
exposed long enough.

Loss of motor control and judgment skills when hypothermic can lead to
much more serious problems when trying to control a motorcycle.
Sharing these lessons with others was very big of the author. Letting
others learn from our mistakes helps them avoid making the same ones
themselves.

 

The observations in this post are appropriate.. The motivation aspect of the
post is suspect.. There are many conditions of the elements which discourage
many to travel by other means, than a motorcycle.. Sometimes.. those
elements are intense enough, no matter what kind of "gear" would offer the
protection or security which would be entirely "safe".. If security and
safety is the primary priority, maybe another "hobby" would be preferable..
Motorcycles have never been SAFE, no matter what you WEAR..

The "ride" that is being reported, in this report, is not simply a "ride"
for pleasure.. Those brothers and sisters who rode to Elgin, Tx. Saturday..
made that ride, with a mission.. That mission was to represent
motorcyclist's interest in the state of Texas... If.. the post by Mark
Johnson was motivated by a desire to demean or diminish the brothers and
sisters who braved those elements to represent each of you, then .. I
believe that he has failed miserably..

Most of us who ride, have been caught in bad weather and forced to
continue.. These brothers and sisters .. chose to challenge those elements
and make the ride to Elgin.. They damned sure didn't have to do it, and I'd
guarantee, they would have preferred to remain in their comfortable homes,
like Mark Johnson chooses to do..

That being said, maybe my impression of his post is not correct.. Past
experience with Mark Johnson leads me to believe that it is dead on..
Thanks Mark..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.

 

How do you know *what* I was wearing?

For your information, I was wearing leather insulated riding boots,
jeans with bike shorts under, t-shirt, button-up shirt, leather jacket
w/thinsulate, gloves, doo-rag, and full faced helmet.

Now, what's your problem with that? What *should* I have been wearing?

I was actually quite toasty except my gloves weren't the thicker one's
I wear in extreme cold and I had to open my visor due to fogging. My
feet got wet because I didn't have several pairs of boots to change
into and after a day of riding under water, it tends to get soaked.

Mark Johnson, you're an idiot. Just because I'm not some giggly girl
that you'd be considered, and want to stop because my feet get a
little wet or I get somewhat cold doesn't mean that I can't handle my
motorcycle. I didn't have a problem handling my motorcycle. Mike
didn't have a problem handling his motorcycle. The problem with you
and your likes is that you want to ride someone's motorcycle for
them...when you can't even ride the one you've got.

Oh, BTW, it must suck to have a killfile and the damn thing not even
work.

 

Well, it's much more than that. The way the law is written today, you
could be wearing a helmet and still not be in compliance of the law.
You could be out riding wearing a $400 (just a figure) full face
helmet with all those fancy graphics, and find yourself being written
a ticket for not wearing a helmet...if a police officer was so
inclined to do so. The law also states your helmet must meet strict
guidelines of DOT standards. #1 of those standards is it must have a
DOT sticker clearly visible on the back of the helmet. SNELL or
SNELL2K doesn't meet the criteria. If that DOT sticker is not there,
your helmet doesn't meet those standards and you're riding without a
helmet.

Whether you wear one or not is irrelevant to what this legislation is
about. Another piece of this is the insurance requirement. Under the
current law, we are forced (I know that we can also do the bond or MSF
option, but many of us don't care to take a course in what we already
know and can't afford the bond...we have chrome to buy) into carrying
insurance which can be denied the benefits to us under the HIPAA act
which is a federal act allowing insurance companies to deny benefits
which they've carried the policy for. One goes with the other.

BTW, I don't wear a helmet because I'm concerned of wrecking...I don't
ever worry about that. It might happen, but when it does, it will be
so spectacular that they'll write stories about it for generations.

I wear a helmet because it looks good, it protects me from elements
(hot and cold...and shit flying up from the road and off trailers) and
because I look good wearing it!

I don't know about the "endurance" part...I was just out riding a bit.
I did "endurance" back in August.

If you ever wanna gear up and go riding, let me know and I'll see
about riding out toward Arkansas and see if we can find some of those
old hills out there that I remember! *WARNING* Make sure you have a
good chrome plater back home when you get done on one of those
rides...I'll have both sides of your bike stripped of any chrome. I
think I left my centerstand out there once and I know I lost a
passenger peg that I had replaced.

 

if you were "quite toasty", then why did you post this:

"As I hit Hillsboro, it started raining again and then got worse
and worse. I ran on until I got home, but with EXTREME aches. I
finally stopped at the stop sign to get on Gus Thomasson and had
trouble with the clutch and gearing up. I had been so cold and so wet
for so long that my joints froze up. I finally made it to the garage
and my wife was getting the door open so I could pull on in. I had to
sit there for a few minutes to get warmed and move. As I was sitting
there, I kept hearing this noise sounding like hissing. I asked my
wife if she was cooking something. She said "no, why?". I told her
that I was hearing a noise and wondered what it was. She listened and
then followed the sound down to the motorcycle. OH NO!!! Not THAT!!!
She said "stupid, you're cooking your leg on the pipes". WHOA! Now, I
don't know about the rest of you, but you know you're cold when you
cook your leg on hot pipes and don't even know it."

sounds like you weren't in the best shape with "EXTREME aches", "trouble
with the clutch operation" and "joints froze up", not to mention not
feeling a hot exhaust pipe against your leg.

that's a pretty textboook case of hypothermia. it's a sneaky and
dangerous phenomenon, because it's easy to overlook the symptoms. at
least you made it home in one piece.

 

Yep.. he sure did, make it home in one piece.. More importantly.. he made
the ride for a notable purpose..

Make no mistake.. you are entitled to your opinion and to post it on this
newsgroup.. When your opinion seems directed to criticizing and picking
apart a rider who exposes himself in the manner that has been reported by
more than this poster.. then you have opened the door .. I also have the
right to take issue with you and point out your weakness and failings..

The motivation from you and a couple of your friends seems to be directed
toward a "flame war" that you are so dedicated to..

Brian Walker WENT to Elgin, Tx. to participate in a meeting that is of
interest to all Bikers who ride, in this state.. No one forced him to do
that and no one forced you to go.. You elected to stay home, as you usually
do.. Whether Brian was wearing ANY clothes or not, is none of your
business.. What was decided at that meeting is none of your business..

You want to qualify to criticize Brian Walker, then get off your fat ass and
contribute more than your big mouth..

Your criticism of anyone who belongs to an advocacy group, or their
contributions to bikers all over Texas is unqualified as hell.. Flame Wars
will not enhance that image of yours, in the least..

I believe that has been made clear to you in the past..

 

< y a w n >

 

I'd be up for an Ark., ride when springtime comes back around. Some
of those mountain passes can be quite cold. ;-)


--Fullstate

Me and Mah 'Priller!

 

Yeah.. and with your personal problem, that could be a disaster.. know what
I mean ?? <chuckle> You might wanna think about trading that eyetalian
scooter for a nice cruiser.. See there ?

Your friend in Irving
Bill Walker

 

Nah, Mark would be having us believe that he rides in a yellow rain
suit with a shower cap and some rubber boots...with a flagman's vest
on over that.

I'll bet he even rides wearing a condom because somewhere along the
years he heard someone make mention of "safety".

Truth be told, I just got in a set of DVDs of American Chopper that
I'd have much rather been doing than out in the cold and wet weather.
Especially for a bunch of welfare recipients like Mark Johnson. I
didn't do it for them, regardless of what they might pat themselves on
the back for.

Otherwise, I managed to watch one of the discs after I got home and
two more yesterday.

I believe you're "dead on" too. I believe Mark was trying to tell
someone how to ride their motorcycle. He doesn't know how to ride his
own, so how is he going to tell me how to ride mine. Besides, had it
been Mark out there, he'd have been jumping into the nearest motel
when it started spitting rain. After all, he rides with a bunch of
people who pride themselves on the longest and toughest rides they
make is 547 miles in 12 hours...with an X over their names.

No thanks from me!

 

Amazing how some people can twist concern for a rider's safety into
some kind of attack. Education about deadly situations (like
hypothermia) is something everyone can benefit from.

Knowing how to detect the signs of hypothermia before they lead to
loss of control (or a core temperature lowered enough to require
hospitalization) is critical for those who choose to ride in the cold.

 

The concern of you and the poster who is known for his compassion and cares
for bikers, on the whole is hardly of any qualification.. You have both
represented nothng more than a concern for your own interests and those are
definitely not directed toward anything outside your own selfish motives..

As with your friend and supporter, John Moran (another viewer), neither of
you have ever contributed to any concern or activity that would be
meaningful to the brothers and sisters who actually do contribute..Again ..
you courage and integrity is been brought into display while you would cover
your identification nametags.. and only participate in flame wars that
attempt to discredit another advocate or group that works for the general
motorcyclist's interests.. Yours, Albert Nurick's and John Moran's attempts
to turn this thread into another of your detestible flame wars is a perfect
example of your insincerity and lack of credentials.. Thanks..