Follow-up for saturday in Ft.Worth

Discussion in 'Texas Bikers' started by Bill Walker, Nov 2, 2003.

  1. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    Whew.. LOL.. I got heat on me.. Seems I didn't make the complete report
    yesterday and there has been a bunch on my ass about it.. OK.. "my bad"..
    Here is what I'm reminded about... TMRA II were organizers of this rally
    along with the Texas Democratic Party.. Damn.. hope I didn't leave someone
    out..Sputnik made a speech that was a 'barn burner".. I mentioned that..
    There was much more to the discussions that went all day and into the
    night.. As usual, the question of membership in TMRA II ..The bikers in our
    state are made of of as many republicans and independents as there are
    democrats.. I have always contended that the worst nightmare for any corrupt
    politician is that all these folks commence to talk to each other and
    realize how much we all have in common.. Along these lines, TMRA II should
    address and attack issues which we all contend with, regardless of party
    affiliation.. Look for it.. I think it was agreed, those are the bread and
    butter issues that TMRA II will be addressing in the coming months.. Support
    them.. Jim Foster was present, he is campaigning for Sheriff of Dallas
    county.. My impression is that he is a good man, scrupulously honest and
    interested in the integrity of our dept.. That's a good thing.. Mike Dupre,
    our constable of one of the larger precincts in Dallas county was there..
    Good man and just elected constable in his precinct.. I am impressed with
    the openness and accessibility he presents to his constituents.. Particular
    concerns that we talked about is the Dallas county judges.. One our bench,
    most are running unopposed.. Through my own exposure to our system, last
    year (nope, I wasn't arrested.. surprise) Not a participant, just involved..
    I came in contact with one of our esteemed judges.. I learned that our bench
    only consists of conservative republican judges.. One of the key components
    of that case was the testimony of an acting FBI associate from the Dallas
    Police Dept.. I had personally served the subpoenas for others but had been
    unable to serve the FBI agent because of security.. We appealed to the
    constable's office and Mike Dupre served the paper on the agent.. Bill Rhea
    is the judge on this case and after waiting for almost a year, for our court
    date.. His office was unable to give us a date.. It was a maybe week that
    the case would be heard.. Docket calls were answered and no date given..
    Mike Dupre was distressed to learn that the subpoena served on the witness
    FBI agent was ruled against by Judge Rhea.. He's coming up for his election
    soon, and this guy needs a strong opponent.. Don't make the mistake of going
    into his courtroom without strong representation, especially if you are
    going against a corporation.. You gonna lose, baby.. His interest as a
    judge, has nothing to do with justice.. Now .. all you bikers just chew on
    this for a bit.. I know that many were in Wilhoites in Grapevine, many in
    Strokers in Dallas.. Many were in the stockyards in Ft.Worth, yesterday..
    One club who had committed support for this event was in the club house..
    That's all well and good guys.. but.. a lot of good and dedicated people are
    out here covering your beer drinking asses while you are busy... Think about
    it.. Those good and dedicated people are not your enemies.. See ya'

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 2, 2003
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  2. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    LOL... As you well know, insurance is one of my biggest concerns.. I, too
    have been frustrated by the positions of TMRA II.. I spent several hours
    with Sputnik, Mike Alvey, Elmer McKeeghan and others .. I believe we all
    agreed with my contention about the non partisan issues.. No decisions were
    made due to the democratic process involved in the organization.. The
    membership has to vote.. LOL.. My publicly declared position is that I will
    personally NOT pay dues or contribute until we all have the opportunity to
    decide those issues.. Insurance has been my pet peeve and I was assured,
    that one will be considered as a prime issue for attack.. You might want to
    give us a little support .. I respect your position for not wanting to
    attend this rally.. My position is that if you do not address your issues
    face to face, you will not make much of an impact.. As you well know, I am a
    democrat, but I have confronted and debated with many of the republican as
    well as independent opposition about many issues that affect us.. With all
    due respect, my friend, your voice is important to us all and you have
    contributed to many, on this group.. Take your show on the road as many of
    us have.. Make your voice heard and you might be surprised at the difference
    you will make...

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 2, 2003
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  3. Bill Walker

    fullstate Guest

    Bill -

    You have a point, but if the TMRA is going to rally for issues
    related to bikers, they need to express that. In this case, they did
    not. I didn't see anywhere on their site or their flyer where they
    were addressing issues specifically related to bikers. All I saw was
    party bashing and democratic support. Now that may not have been what
    happened once you were there, but that is what was "advertised" before
    the event and why I (and perhaps others?) did not go.


    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Nov 2, 2003
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  4. Bill Walker

    fullstate Guest

    Bill -

    If there is a rally that is by bikers, for bikers, regardless
    of party affiliation and I can make it, then I will be there. Even if
    the bikers are a "side note" to an even larger rally. I just didn't
    see that this was the case this time.



    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Nov 2, 2003
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  5. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    Your reasons for not attending were your own.. Many of us who were there,
    defend your position to make those choices.. My choice was to make my
    presence heard and I did.. I am told that my speech was one of those that
    touched many.. That would have be decided by those who heard me.. My
    personal contact with the high profile figures was my own initiation and I
    expressed the views and positions of different sides.. The strength of each
    of our convictions and our contributions to our world has to be resolved in
    one's own conscience.. You made your decision not to attend, and I defend
    your right to that decision..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 2, 2003
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  6. Bill Walker

    Brian Walker Guest

    Just FYI, I didn't go because I refuse to go to a place where there's
    nothing but a bunch of people who will agree with what I say. My
    question is, if this insurance thing is such a priority to these
    Senators, why has it not been addressed and only getting worse? They
    can't really blame the Republicans, because up until this year, they
    had control and the votes to push their agenda. Almost every
    legislation which was passed this last session didn't go into effect
    until Sept 1st...what happened all the other times? My homeowners
    insurance has been getting worse, as well as my car and motorcycle.
    What have they done to change this? The question should be asked when
    they agree on this position is "why haven't you done something about
    it?".

    This is simple. The lobbyists pay the party and the party acts as the
    pimp for the Senators. The more people belonging to the party they
    have in office, the more money the party gets. If they care about my
    issues then fine, let's get to work on it and make money off what the
    pay check affords. Wanna turn around the economy, then fine...give
    incentives to businesses to start and grow. Make the utilities give a
    discounted rate to new businesses as well as insurance companies. Make
    utilities regulated where they're unable to decline power to people
    based on credit. Make homeowners insurance costs reduce and keep
    people from having to sell their home to avoid bankruptcy...all
    because the insurance premium is more than the house payment with
    reduced coverages.

    It doesn't seem that difficult, and if all these "agreeable" Senators
    and individuals are serious, they can make it happen very easily.
     
    Brian Walker, Nov 2, 2003
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  7. Bill Walker

    fullstate Guest

    I'm definitely for better safety for bikes. Including changing the
    ways that contractors (or the DOT) does road repairs. Too many times
    I've felt that roads that were under construction were left in a
    dangerous configuration for a bike.
    How about a stronger mandate for DRIVER education? The people in
    cages, that is. They may mention motorcycles a little bit during
    drivers ed and in school, but they don't emphasize the differences
    between bikes and cars on the road. Nor do they try to make cagers
    aware of bikers.

    If it were up to me, I'd say that in order to drive a cage, you gotta
    spend at least one week on a bike..... not that you have to drive it,
    but you have to at least be a passenger. hehe That will fix a lot of
    'em.

    Well, i can see that. And if it's not rediculous, I would probably
    support it. The bottom line, though, is that any business has a right
    to refuse service to anyone....pretty much for "no reason." That gets
    sticky, though, because one might argue that it was the color of their
    skin that got them discriminated against.
    Sounds interesting. I'm guessing that between you and Bill we can
    figure out how to coordinate this?



    --Fullstate
     
    fullstate, Nov 3, 2003
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  8. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    There are something in the neighborhood of 375,000 motorcycles registered in
    the state.. That could be a formidable political force, motivated and
    mobilized .. There is probably as many republicans riding as there are
    democrats.. Not counting the alternative parties and the independents.. The
    key and the secret to that mobilization is to find the issues that everyone
    mutually is affected by.. i.e. insurance issues.. All of us, mutually are
    affected by the influence of the companies not to mention the premiums we
    pay for their coverage.. Regardless of party affiliation, we each feel the
    pinch when we pay those premiums that are mandated by legislation.. That is
    only one issue, there are many others that affect us as bikers indirectly..
    i.e. utility costs.. Our utility commission which is appointed by the
    governor in office knows that our energy costs are necessary for the quality
    of life.. We have to pay them, if we want a light when we flip the
    switch..They de-regulated the industry with the indication that competition
    would lower the cost of that necessity of life.. What a fraud was played
    upon the supporters of the de-regulation legislation.. We have seen our
    utility bills skyrocket and the ruthless disposition of service in the event
    many could not pay their enormous bills is a disgrace to any civilized
    industrial nation.. Those are issues without partisan effect.. We are all on
    the same page in that area.. That issue alone would incorporate the
    non-bikers to unite in our battle to provide relief to us all.. There are
    many issues that are not directly affecting bikers, but need to be addressed
    and corrected.. Participating in events like the one last saturday, is
    necessary to enhance the issues which affect only the group of bikers ..
    Don't bite the hand that feeds you and if you will scratch my back, I'll
    scratch yours... Those are cliches and they are sometimes very wise
    counsel.. Good luck, everybody..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 3, 2003
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  9. Bill Walker

    Waco Guest

    I have a couple of issues to add.
    Reduced tolls for motorcycles.
    Motorcycle awareness campaigns.
     
    Waco, Nov 3, 2003
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  10. The legislative sessions are over, unless the governor calls another special
    session (possibly april). So a lot of the legislators won't be around.
    Some will be there because the business of committee's and such will be
    going on. But most will be gone.
    You may want to wait till the governor calls the special session (sometime
    around april) to make a bigger impact.
    TMRA 2 usually plans Legislative day on the 4th monday of january during the
    legislative session. The next normal legislative session is in 2005, after
    the elections.
    However items as you described above are ones that can be put on the party
    platforms. We do these as resolutions that the people want the party to
    support. We normally try to get this done for both the dem and rep party's.
    TMRA 2 will be conducting workshops here over the next few months. They are
    to help people get involved in the party process to make them make a
    difference. The basic info is the same for both the republican and
    democrats.
    I will let you know when the workshops come up in the various areas.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Nov 3, 2003
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  11. Here is a link to look at a few photos of the rally. Unforunately the
    digital camera I used isn't very good so the photos are of low quality.
    Won't be using that camera for much any more. Just in case you wanted to
    see Bill in Action out there, here ya go.....

    http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/grou....jpg?bchn.ouBIm9SE9By&.cx=138&.cy=150&.type=u

    --
    Elmer
    DFW Chapter TMRA2

    anti-spam: remove the 9 to send me email


    < snip the good stuff>
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Nov 3, 2003
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  12. Bill Walker

    Oma Guest

    On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 10:01:29 -0600, fullstate

    .. . . if the TMRA is going to rally for issues

    I nearly didn't go for the same reason -- I've grown weary over the
    years of all the partisan bashing. Especially around election times
    parties dehumanize, demonize, and pronounce unpatriotic all
    opposition. It is one of the easy predictables of politics. I'm more
    interested in dialogue.

    Which is why I went. This was my first good opportunity to meet
    Sputnik, Elmer, Bill, and Mike -- I didn't want to pass it up. I had
    some interesting conversations with these guys and hope to have more
    in the future. I've never heard Sputnik speak before, so I don't if
    he was giving his standard spiel or if each "speech" is different, but
    I like what the man had to say and how he said it. That by itself was
    worth my time.

    I also enjoyed meeting "Damn Indian", an out of work electrician from
    the Armadillo club out of Cleburne. I'll keep my eye out for him in
    the future as well.

    A lady by the name of Karen Stevens got a little mic time and I found
    her comments interesting and thought provoking.

    Roberto Alonzo's remarks were worth listening to, and listening to
    some of the reactions in the crowd was educational for me.

    A lot of the speakers were just background noise while I was talking
    with some of the aforementioned folk, so I can't tell you much about
    what they had to say.

    I guess I was looking for an opportunity to meet some of the regular
    posters in their element. That happened and I'm glad I went. I went
    in spite of the fact that the agenda looked like a bashing. I went
    with my own agenda.

    Then I went home and the wife and I had a short ride. Rode out to
    Weatherford Sunday and had a good ride with a good woman. Don't get
    no better.

    Oma

    Walk with many, follow The One.
    (to email, change nospam to w000023)
     
    Oma, Nov 4, 2003
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  13. Bill Walker

    Oma Guest

    Elmer, this link didn't work for me. Anyone else have problems?

    Oma

    Walk with many, follow The One.
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    Oma, Nov 4, 2003
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  14. Bill Walker

    Oma Guest

    I also wanted to let you know I enjoyed meeting you Saturday at the
    "Enough is Enough". I also appreciate your patience with my
    questions.

    Maybe I'll see you at a TMRA2 meeting.

    Oma

    Walk with many, follow The One.
    (to email, change nospam to w000023)
     
    Oma, Nov 4, 2003
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  15. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    Not lurking anymore, huh ?? Good to see you on here, today.. Oma.. Real
    nice to meet you and I enjoyed our little visit, saturday.. Glad you enjoyed
    the experience and hope there wasn't too many disappointments.. Like I said,
    the turnout could have been better, but it was OK.. You should know that
    some of the concerns you expressed to me were topics of my conversations
    with many of the people you saw me talking to.. If I remember, I even talked
    about some of them when I was speaking.. Your presence was appreciated and
    your comments were noted.. Hopefully, in this upcoming year, we can
    influence some of the changes that will get all of us some relief.. Good
    luck to you and thanks again for coming.. 'preciate it..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 4, 2003
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  16. Try this instead....

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tmraii/

    Then go to the photos section and then the fort Worth Rally.

    Let me know if you still have trouble. I can move the pics to a friendlier
    site if necessary.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Nov 6, 2003
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  17. Bill Walker

    Oma Guest

    Thanks for the new link.

    I think the problem was/is that the pictures are in the Members
    section. Joining is free, but you do have to do that to view the
    pictures.

    You might also want to check the labeling -- at least one pic of
    Sputnik is labeled as Bill Walker. I'm sure they're both flattered.
    :)

    Oma


    Walk with many, follow The One.
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    Oma, Nov 6, 2003
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  18. As a side note Bill, Senator Duncan did vote for redistricting. The only
    republican senators that opposed it were Senators Ratliff and Frasier.

    However Senator Duncan didn't like was going on. Here is a quick sniplet.

    At least 5 Senators opposed the Bill but finally Senator Duncan gave the
    defeatist speech on the Floor. He praised Staples and Dewhurst for the work
    they had done but said though some of us don't like the map, we must support
    the Lt. Governor. We spoke with him shortly after that little speech and he
    was like a tired, haggard old man.
     
    Elmer McKeegan, Nov 7, 2003
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  19. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    During the re-districting senate meeting in Duncanville, my contact with
    Senator Duncan was brief, but we did have a very good conversation
    together.. I particularly noticed the attention and courtesy he afforded to
    most speakers, myself included.. I came away from there with the impression
    that he is a good man, with integrity and interest in all of us.. LOL..
    Wouldn't vote for him, of course, but I do respect him.. Harris, Ratliff and
    Fraser also seem to represent the interests of their constituents.. Coming
    from me and directed to those good Republicans, that is a compliment..
    Thanks Elmer, just curious how they voted..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 7, 2003
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  20. Bill Walker

    Bill Walker Guest

    In this "group" particularly... many of the comments consist of
    criticism directed toward gatherings for "party bashing".. I got mixed
    emotions about that one.. Seems kinda like saying, "I want something
    corrected, but don't attack my representative when you fix it".. LOL..
    OK.. don't like political gatherings.. Here's another solution that I
    know to be effective, as it was employed this past spring.. A couple
    of bills introduced by one of the state reps. were detestable.. A
    small group, ten or fifteen, I am told who is the rep's neighbors and
    constituents rode out to his house on saturday morning, when they knew
    he was home.. They woke his ass up and informed him that he "would"
    return to Austin on Monday and kill those bills.. Guess what.. it was
    done.. Most of us cannot spend much time traveling the state, but we
    all live in districts with state reps near our homes.. Gather a crew
    and go to visit his ass.. Assure him, that his activities in Austin is
    either acceptable or he is OUT.. Not much sacrifice involved there, is
    there ?? Just a thought..

    Your friend in Irving
    Bill Walker
     
    Bill Walker, Nov 8, 2003
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