FOAK:Which back-protector for RST Dyno one-piece suit?

My mate needs to know which make/model of back protector is suitable for the
purpose-made pocket in the back of his RST Dyno one-piece suit.
He has asked his local RST dealer but they say RST don't make/stock one
specifically and, amazingly, there are no contact details on the RST website
for asking anyone there.

Anyone here know?

Cheers

 

Sorby says...

Tell him not to bother and to get a seperate one that straps to his
body.

 

And for that I recommend the t-pro forcefield back protector:
http://www.tprobodyarmour.co.uk/ff_back.html

It's light and flexible which means it's comfy and you forget about it,
and it doesn't make you overheat in summer. It appears to rate well in
the standards testing too.

 

Christofire says...

Available from....

.....you guesssed it folks....

.......GLF Accessories:

http://www.glfuk.com/

 

Lozzo
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Ah... that's reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask.

Once you get a back protector, does it have a limited life? Do
you have to replace it after 3 years or 5 year or whatever? or
does it just carry on being OK forever, unless it gets damaged?

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Wizard says...

I haven't got a clue!

Paging Paul Varnsverry

 

Do GLF do a lower back protector or summat, i would like a lightweight
sort of thing around my lower spine as sometimes i get backache etc.

Strange request perhaps.

Alan

 

The intention is not to crash, i do have some protection in the jacket
i wear, but still get backache on long journeys.

Alan

 

Bear says...

Agreed there. Having said that, Pip used to wear a Hein Gericke neoprene
kidney belt for the same reasons Alan wants something. He reckoned it
was the business..........until he bought a Knox back protector.

 

Sounds like you need a Kidney Belt. Verr popular round here, for wome
reason. I'm sure you must be able toi get them in the UKK too,
although I'd never seen them until I moved here.

 

Motocross/off road shops will sell them.

 

Sorry for the delay in replying; been working away for a few days.

Part of the CE Marking process includes a requirement for the
manufacturer to provide the end user with detailed information on
selection, use, care and maintenance of the approved product. If the
product isn't supplied with this information, always treat claims that
it meets the requirements of a standard and is approved with the utmost
suspicion.

In back protector standard EN 1621-2:2003, Clause 8 ("information
Supplied by the Manufacturer") subclause 16 reads:

"instructions concerning inspection and repair of the back/lumbar
protector, when to replace it and how to decide if it no longer
provides adequate protection".

Manufacturers cannot influence how a product is used and stored, other
than to issue general advice. If an end user chooses to ignore that
advice, and uses or stores the product in a less-than-ideal manner,
then any expectations the manufacturer might have will be reduced in
direct proportion to the level and extent of the misuse.

Depending upon the product, the type and conditions of use and other
factors, manufacturers might stipulate a service life of from
two-and-a-half up to five years -but always with the caveat of regular
inspections by the user in order to identify the onset of deterioration
or the presence of damage. Five years seems to be becoming a widely
adopted norm for maximum service life, for legal considerations.

There are some studies currently ongoing into longevity of impact
protection - notably the British Equestrian Trade Association's (BETA)
survey into longer-term use and performance of body protectors (the
Motor Cycle Industry Association could learn a thing or two from BETA -
but these won't report for a while yet.

HTH

 

Quoting Bear:

"IIRC, back protectors in leathers aren't up to much"

Some of the back protector inserts which are now available and fitted
into jackets or the top half of suits are EN 1621-2 compliant. BMW
certainly have one, Knox do a few, as do TPro, and Jofama have their
"back converter" to offer.

If possible, it is advisable to try to buy a back protector where the
transmitted force in EN 1621-1 testing has been recorded as below 4
kiloNewtons. This is the peak level of transmitted force which 40 years
of cadaver testing in automotive safety research has identified as the
maximum the fragile rib structures can withstand before fracturing.
Most back protectors are designed to *just* pass the 18 kN (performance
level 1) or 9 kN (performance level 2) of the standard. TPro and Jofama
can both offer products which meet the more stringent 4 kN requirement,
and I would need to check but I believe some Knox products do also.

 

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IIRC, the spinal-injury-payout warranty only lasts for one year
from date of purchase.

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Wizard
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Bad form blah blah.

Looks like they've stopped doing it altogether:

http://planet-knox.com/Knox/assist.asp


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@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Paul Varnsverry
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No problem; it's good of you to help out.

I'm guessing that mine (Knox) was supplied with that
information, but I've mislaid it.

<Tries website>

knox.com... vitamins.
knox.co.uk... nonexistent.
<checks label on back protector>
planet-knox.com

OK, I think mine's a Stowaway.

OK- it says mine meets prEN1621-2 <8)

Yup. I used to lay mine flat; more recently, I;ve started
hanging it on a hook. I certainly don't roll it up, although
it's marketed as being suitable for that.

Sounds sensible.

There's nothing on the Knox website about a back protector's
life, so I guess I'll email them.


While we're on the subject: I have to admit to being what's
medically known as "a fat bastard". When I do up the strap that
goes round my stomach, the Velcro on the two pieces overlaps for
about 3.5 inches.

Is that enough to be safe?


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Replace it when it gets within 2mm of your backbone... HTH...
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That was the "PRovisional European Norm", or pre-publication version of
the standard. It is commonplace for PPE manufacturers to use prENs to
certify their products, because the PPE legislation requires
manufacturers to CE mark their products even in the absence of a
published standard.

I am awaiting a call back from Geoff Travell, of Planet Knox, so I can
respond to a number of other questions raised in this thread. I'll add
one enquiring when he plans to update the certification on all products
marked "prEN" so that it reads "EN".

If the garment under which the back protectors is worn is sufficiently
snug to hold the back protector in place during normal body movements
and in a fall from the motorcycle, then the straps are superfluous.
They are only intended to hold the protector in place whilst donning
garments. Once the garment is on, the straps can be unfastened -
subject to the caveat given above.

 

Since a decent leather suit should last more than five years - possibly
even a really good fabric suit - I guess one should only buy a suit with
removable armour, then. Or is there some type of body armour which might
reasonably be expected to last the life of a good suit?

Is *removable* armour - more properly: readily replaceable armour - part
of the CE standards?