FOAK Utterly O.T - CVs and etcetera

Discussion in 'UK Motorcycles' started by JL, Dec 29, 2005.

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    JL Guest

    Hi, I realise this is off topic but stuff along this line has been
    discussed here occasionally, hope you don't mind and I hope someone is
    bored enough to chuck their two bob's worth in :

    I'm stumbling closer to my sojourn in the UK and have a couple of
    questions re what's standard practise re: CV's / resumes.

    - Have been told max 2 pages is the accepted norm, is this true (Oz is
    usually 4 or 5) ?

    - If the above is correct would anyone be willing to have a look at

    http://au.geocities.com/v12daimler/summary-cv_1.0b.pdf

    and comment on what they think should be reduced, expanded, changed,
    deleted, whatever ?

    Just realised after uploading that there's no contact details or
    residency status, oops, will update with a "c" version shortly.

    - one of the pro forma CVs on a website included a line for "hobbies and
    interests" do employers over there REALLY give a monkey's what I do in
    my spare time ? I certainly have never enquired when hiring people...

    - My primary value is the fact that I have a foot in both the IT and the
    finance/business camps and hence can fix off track projects because I
    can understand both sides of the issues. How the hell do I communicate
    that in so few words, or is that best attempted in a cover letter ? My
    Aussie CV has a skillsets summary at the start where I try and peddle my
    arse^H^H^H sorry "highlight my skillsets and value add" - how do you
    guys try and put that out there ? ]

    - Are there any job titles or phrases that need explanation ? ie do you
    guys use the term "Program Manager" ? The Yanks use Project Director
    IIANM (gets used here occasionally too).

    - Lastly, what are the best websites for jobseekers in the IT/finance
    sector of the market ?

    Thanks for any assistance
     
    JL, Dec 29, 2005
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    JL Guest

    http://au.geocities.com/v12daimler/summary-cv_1.0c.pdf

    Better/Worse ?

    JL
     
    JL, Dec 29, 2005
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    simonk Guest

    No, this is bollocks - especially for a technical CV. 4-5 pages is fine, as
    long as it's all relevant stuff. Bear in mind, though, that some hirers may
    only read the first couple of pages, so a summary of what you're about, and
    your technical skills, on page 1, will be useful.
    http://www.simonk.org/cv.pdf works for me
    The chronology looks all fine, but I reckon you need a beginning-bit
    summarising everything. You should take all your qualifications out of the
    chronology too and stick them in a separate bit.
    Not really, but I've always put it down as a couple of sentences at the end.
    There's no harm in doing it - provided, of course, that it's not bullshit.
    Sounds about right. As mentioned, a good first-page format might be a table
    at the top with your name and contact details, then 3 or 4 paragraphs of
    prose describing yourself and your main strengths, and then another table
    listing your core skills and how long you've had them (e.g. Java/J2EE
    development - 5 yearsl Project Management - 10 years; Prince 2 qualification)
    http://www.cwjobs.co.uk/
    http://www.gojobsite.co.uk/

    should get you near-100% coverage.

    There is a lot of activity in the financial services sector at the moment -
    FFS, recruiters keep calling *me* about jobs in this sector, and I haven't
    got a fucking clue ...
     
    simonk, Dec 29, 2005
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  4. JL

    deadmail Guest

    Depends on your age, the job and whether you're using an agency.

    Given that you seem to be an old fart and have a few relevant jobs I'd
    suggest you could get away with more than 2.

    I'd put some personal details right at the start; DOB, marital status,
    contact details etc. I'd also make a mention of your passport/visa
    situation since it's not easy to bring Australians into the UK at short
    notice unless you can demonstrate they have special skills.

    I'd follow the personal details with the education bit

    And then I'd add the list of jobs you've given. I would write more
    about the current role and less about the Ericsson role (it was 4 years
    ago... get over it...)
    I like to see the "hobbies and interests" part but don't think it
    greatly influences me.

    In the personal details you could write a 'personal summary', or you
    could have it as the first item in the CV. Many people do it and I've
    employed people because of something I saw there. A CV is part of the
    sales pitch you make for a job so should be steered towards the job in
    question, if it's being scatter gun distributed then put the best spin
    on yourself in there.
    Program Manager makes sense here. Nothing stood out in the CV as 'odd'
    to me.
    Fucked if I know!
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2005
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    darsy Guest

    there certainly is, which is why if my current lot don't stump up a
    decent payrise/bonus in February, I'll probably be moving on.
    having worked in the sector for ~3 years, I can assure you that no
    having a fucking clue doesn't appear to be an issue.
     
    darsy, Dec 29, 2005
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    Mups Guest

    On radio 4 this morning it was mentioned that 1% of workers in 'the city'
    were getting bonuses greater than 1,000,000 this year. We're madly
    upgrading systems to keep up with the increase in trading volumes so times
    must be good.
    AOL
     
    Mups, Dec 29, 2005
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  7. JL

    JL Guest

    Thanks very much for taking the time to read and reply.
    Excellent, I can do a better job with a few more words and thanks for
    the link to yours - that's a great template to plagiarise (ahem, sorry,
    research)
    ....snip whole heaps of really good input. Much appreciated.
    Errm not got it, nobody in Oz really even cared up until about the last
    year - how important is it considered to be there ? Should I be
    spending the next couple of months madly studying for it ?

    You bewdy !

    JL
     
    JL, Dec 29, 2005
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    JL Guest

    Guilty :) My youth flew out the window taking my memory and my
    washboard abs, the bastard.
    Thanks. I'm OK for visa (provided they don't change the rules before I
    get approval, <nervously drums fingers and looks to the British
    Consulate>) 4 years with the option for perm. residency at the end (with
    some criteria req'd to be met). If they do change the rules I can squeak
    into a highly skilled visa as well but that's only 1 year and you have
    to keep renewing it (and if AGSM falls off the 50 MBA's list out the
    door I go).
    <chuckle> did it come across that way ? Oops. Was just trying to show
    there were 3 distinctly seperate programmes of work in that role -
    suggestions as to how to better deal with that appreciated (although now
    I know I can go more than 2 pages I imagine having more detail in the
    current role and prev. role will balance it.)
    Righto then, in it goes. I guess "bikie scum", "trashing small rural
    towns" and "rogering your daughter" would probably be a bad sales pitch
    though :)
    Thanks very much. Noted.

    JL
     
    JL, Dec 29, 2005
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    simonk Guest

    I wouldn't worry too much about it - I've never seen it as a prerequisite
    for a job, but then again I'm not really a project manager. I suppose if
    you had the time to kill it might be another feather in your cap, so to
    speak.
     
    simonk, Dec 29, 2005
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    deadmail Guest

    Visa rules change rapidly; I had to withdraw a job offer because of this
    recently, the 'highly skilled' list seems to change and if your skills
    are not on this list then the visa application process can take ages (or
    at least so I've been told.)

    Oh, no, that wouldn't do at all. It's "biker scum" over here.
     
    deadmail, Dec 29, 2005
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    Wizard Guest

    reader.news.telstra.net>, JL
    () says...
    http://www.jobserve.com
    http://www.gojobsite.co.uk
    http://www.planetrecruit.com
    http://www.cwjobs.co.uk

    Jobserve will let you put in several CVs, which may be useful if
    you can't decide which format to use!

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    Wizard, Jan 2, 2006
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